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It speaks to your continued assertion that you know exactly what is going on in the military today, but nobody else does.

So, how many years since you've had any actual, personal, first-hand experience of day-to-day life in today's military?

Even though I am retired I never quit working for the Gov. I was in the military and worked for the gov. for about 45 years.............I am stationed within 10 to 20 miles of 4 bases....I am friends with Chiefs and Officers that are stationed on ships and stations here..........I beong to the Fleet Reserve Assoc., The VFW and the American Legion...I know the pulse of the Navy............
 
No, I certainly am not in the Navy. But I am in the Army and I deploy for a year or more at a time. We don't sleep in close quarters to each other on ships, but do sleep close to each other on cots, in vehicles and on the earth.



I am an officer; But I don't even know what a stateroom is. I haven't always been. When I was a private, I slept in a 60-man bay on bunkbeds and showered in a large communal shower and even took a **** on stools with no privacy.

Since my commission, I sleep like the men do. In the field training, I sleep where they do; usually on the ground or catnaps in the humvee. In OIF, I slept on a cot two feet away from my Sergeant the entire deployment. In fact, my whole crew (seven) slept in a 10 x 10 room together at the patrol base or on the ground...depending on the mission. In subsequent combat tours, I've slept multiple places; in tents with the whole platoon, in bunkers with my unit with a piece of plywood or bedsheet for privacy. I've certainly shared many a community showers with my troops...that almost makes me laugh. Even as the commander now, I still shower everyday after PT in the unit's communal shower.




Well, then maybe the Navy has a discipline problem, sir. I don't know. The last thing I'm concerned with is a gay soldier coming on to me or any other soldier in the unit. He would be in trouble if he did. I really don't think it's an issue. We've got bigger things to worry about. Like training for and fighting wars.



Well, then maybe YOU have a discipline problem, sir. You aren't one of my Soldiers so I'm not worried about it. We have mixed gender units now and yes, there are some issues with sexual advances, but it's not out of control. I'm sure if I had a gay Soldier in the unit, he would not come on to or rape any heterosexual Soldier. I think to expect that to be a widespread epidemic is pretty silly. To be honest, even if DADT is overturned, I doubt you'll see servicemembers "coming out" in droves. Especially not in all-male units like mine; but if they do, they will be afforded the same opportunities and protection from discrimination just like any other Soldier.

I don't expect a rebuttal, since I just destroyed you in front of everyone.

You destroyed no one sitting behind your monitor wolfing at me because I don't believe you when it comes to the situation I mentioned with and all female crew and you........I think any male would succumb to those temptations and I would not blame them in the least.....Its natural and the average age of a sailor aoard a ship is about 19 years old when their juices are flowing at their highest.......That is why there are so many pregnancies in the Navy and I am not just blaming the woman but when she gets pregnant she leaves the ship and some poor guy has to do her job and his to because there is usually no replacement.............By the way publicly the senior officerslike Mullin all salute and stand behind the president on this to but in private a lot of them have a different opinion on the issue.......

If DADT is dropped it will probably take a couple of years and I hope your still around here to eat your words when there are problems that arise from this change in policy..........

You will probably have tucked your tail up your ass and be long gone by then though..........
 
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It speaks to your continued assertion that you know exactly what is going on in the military today, but nobody else does.

So, how many years since you've had any actual, personal, first-hand experience of day-to-day life in today's military?

He retired in 1977 ..back in the olden days.
 
I don't recall there being great opposition. I recall him being in an advisory role. You're splitting hairs at this point to make history say what you want it to say.

No, I looked it up first.

Retired Army Gen. Colin L. Powell, whose opposition to allowing gay men and lesbians to serve openly in the military helped lead to adoption of the "don't ask, don't tell" legislation 17 years ago, said Wednesday that he now thinks the restrictive law should be repealed.

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A question about sexual orientation had long been standard on military recruitment forms, and acknowledgment of homosexuality led to automatic rejection. Bill Clinton pledged during his 1992 presidential campaign to abolish all such restrictions. But less than a week after his inauguration in 1993, in a meeting with service chiefs arranged by then-Chairman Powell, Clinton wilted under their opposition. Concerned that the controversy would undermine his larger policy goals and aware that a congressional majority opposed lifting all restrictions, Clinton ultimately backed a compromise that Powell called "stop asking and stop pursuing."

washingtonpost.com
 
but when she gets pregnant she leaves the ship and some poor guy has to do her job and his to because there is usually no replacement.............

How is this different than when a gay guy/lesbian gets the boot?

If DADT is dropped it will probably take a couple of years and I hope your still around here to eat your words when there are problems that arise from this change in policy..........

Even if "challenges" arise from this that is not enough reason to not do it. Most thought there would be big time problems integrating blacks and whites yet, here we are.
 
Even though I am retired I never quit working for the Gov. I was in the military and worked for the gov. for about 45 years.............I am stationed within 10 to 20 miles of 4 bases....I am friends with Chiefs and Officers that are stationed on ships and stations here..........I beong to the Fleet Reserve Assoc., The VFW and the American Legion...I know the pulse of the Navy............

I worked for the government for many years, too. This doesn't make me an expert on today's military.

I live 25 miles from the 142d Fighter Wing. This doesn't make me an expert on today's military.

My father was a Navy E-6 based at Pearl Harbor. One of my closest friends was an E-8 in Vietnam. This doesn't make me an expert on today's military.

Your living near a military base and having friends who are officers is all very nice, but I'm still curious. How many years has it been since you saw active duty that gave you some actual, personal, first-hand experience of day-to-day life in today's military?
 
Your star said 1977.

I worked for the Navy for 21 years after I retiredand activity called th Naval Sea System Command, handling the funding for Aircraft Carriers overhauls and Availabilities meeting with ships company personnel on almost a daily basis......
 
You destroyed no one sitting behind your monitor wolfing at me because I don't believe you when it comes to the situation I mentioned with and all female crew and you........I think any male would succumb to those temptations and I would not blame them in the least.....Its natural and the average age of a sailor aoard a ship is about 19 years old when their juices are flowing at their highest.......That is why there are so many pregnancies in the Navy and I am not just blaming the woman but when she gets pregnant she leaves the ship and some poor guy has to do her job and his to because there is usually no replacement.............By the way publicly the senior officerslike Mullin all salute and stand behind the president on this to but in private a lot of them have a different opinion on the issue.......

If DADT is dropped it will probably take a couple of years and I hope your still around here to eat your words when there are problems that arise from this change in policy..........

You will probably have tucked your tail up your ass and be long gone by then though..........

Well, that was probably the worst rebuttal in history since you only argument is that all gays are going to rape all heterosexuals. Nice.

And apparently you can read Admiral Mullen's mind. Amazing.

The truth is that people like you are so arrogant that you can't fathom that someone may have a different opinion than you. Even someone far more credible, like me.

Why can gays serve in the British and Israeli military with no issues?
 
Jesus Christ on a bicycle, I've heard it all now. I hope one day I'm as tough and good at the internetz as you are. :roll:

I think your buddy Navy can stick up for himself. Why don't you try arguing my post, since you are apparently the God of contemporary military knowledge.
 
Bottom line he saluted and said yes sir and that is exactly what any chairman of the joint chiefs would do.....

No, the bottom line is he gave his personal opinion and explained it with sound reasoning.
 
How is this different than when a gay guy/lesbian gets the boot?



Even if "challenges" arise from this that is not enough reason to not do it. Most thought there would be big time problems integrating blacks and whites yet, here we are.

Pregnant women in the Navy don't get the boot...........They can have their baby or stay in.........Any activity is male female.........


You know I laugh every time you Liberals make the comparison between the plight of Gays and of Blacks and I am not saying Gays have not had a hard time but to compare the 2 is ludicrous and an insult to every black man..............
 
I don't know how to be any clearer since I almost heard him say that word for word on Meet the Press............

Say what? I don't want you to hide behind insinuation. I prefer a clear, bold statement so there is no guessing at all.
 
Isn't that also exactly what any grunt should do?

True, and Mullin also noted this, that they would adjust and handle this. I agree that they would.
 
I think your buddy Navy can stick up for himself. Why don't you try arguing my post, since you are apparently the God of contemporary military knowledge.

You love it when you have about 10 liberals in here against just me and If jallman a gay man comes to my aid and defense it bothers you...I don't like to say anything bad about a fellow military man but you must make a hell of a leader and I say thay very facetiously...........

You are really something man.............
 
Well, that was probably the worst rebuttal in history since you only argument is that all gays are going to rape all heterosexuals. Nice.

And apparently you can read Admiral Mullen's mind. Amazing.

The truth is that people like you are so arrogant that you can't fathom that someone may have a different opinion than you. Even someone far more credible, like me.

Why can gays serve in the British and Israeli military with no issues?

Why don't you listen to the audio that I originally posting and you might understand the difference in the U.S. miltary and other countries.........Probaly not though yyou so brainwashed.............
 
Pregnant women in the Navy don't get the boot...........They can have their baby or stay in.........Any activity is male female.........

This doesn't answer my question.

You know I laugh every time you Liberals make the comparison between the plight of Gays and of Blacks and I am not saying Gays have not had a hard time but to compare the 2 is ludicrous and an insult to every black man..............

Blacks were discriminated against, beat up, killed, prevented from promotions. Gays too. Actually, gays have it worse. At least blacks had their own platoon, groups. Gays simply get kicked out.

Why should blacks be insulted? Because their history is compared to that of gays?

How are they different in your eyes?
 
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I think your buddy Navy can stick up for himself. Why don't you try arguing my post, since you are apparently the God of contemporary military knowledge.

Oh one more thng jallman and I have been a member of this forum for 5 years and although we have our differences and have had a few knock down drag outs I am proud to call him my friend.............
 
Say what? I don't want you to hide behind insinuation. I prefer a clear, bold statement so there is no guessing at all.

Listen I could give a **** less what you believe.........
 
This doesn't answer my question.



Blacks were discriminated against, beat up, killed, prevented from promotions. Gays too. Actually, gays have it worse. At least blacks had their own platoon, groups. Gays simply get kicked out.

Why should blacks be insulted? Because their history is compared to that of gays?

How are they different in your eyes?

You forgot that Black had 400 years of slavery........just a minor detail.........

Beccause they went through living hell............
 
You love it when you have about 10 liberals in here against just me and If jallman a gay man comes to my aid and defense it bothers you...I don't like to say anything bad about a fellow military man but you must make a hell of a leader and I say thay very facetiously...........

You are really something man.............

Well, the Army saw fit to put me into command and is deploying me to war for a third time to lead soldiers in combat. Probably good evidence that I'm not soup.

I think you get so upset because we are both vets and I simply disagree with you on this issue. I'm not getting emotional about it. I'm the one that has to deal with DADT, not you. It's pretty easy to throw beer cans from the peanut gallery. You are not in the military anymore. You don't know these kids coming in the military like I know them. I'm telling you, people are different these days. I really don't think it's going to be that big of a deal. Primarily because any gay Soldiers I have now probably won't come out. And if they do, I'm pretty confident they will be left alone. I will ensure their safety, just like any other Soldier; so in that regard, I am a good leader. I do my best, because I care about these great young Americans...gay or not. It's my job to train them and take care of them. I do that.
 
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I don't like to say anything bad about a fellow military man but you must make a hell of a leader and I say thay very facetiously...........

Why? what's so special about a fellow military man?
 
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