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Activist filmmaker arrested in senator’s office

Did they have electronic surveillance devices on their person that would enable them to actually tap a phone? If not, then the government's ability to prove intent is going to seriously hampered.

Actually, this is the only crime that's been committed:



If the government can't prove intent, then O'Keefe is going to allowed to walk with probation, at the most.

O'Keefe has already admitted intent.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation said Mr. O'Keefe, who had traveled to New Orleans and delivered a speech Thursday, admitted to helping plan and coordinate the scheme. --WaPo
 
O'Keefe has already admitted intent.

The only thing O'Keefe admitted to was going into Landreau's office dressed a telephone repairman. I haven't seen anywhere that he admitted to trying to tamper with the phone system.
 
I'd love to hear some of these scenarios in which a couple of people dress up and pretend to be something they're not, to do work they were neither asked nor authorized to do, in a place they don't belong, and it's all just a "mistake" on their part because they believed it was completely legal and above board.

:roll:

*They were trying to show how easy it would be for someone with malicious intent to gain access to a Senator's telephone system, but had no intent to actually do anything harmful while they were there.

*They were going to try to use that access to make a call to another politician's office (so it would show up as being from Landreiu) and try to get that politician to admit that the special LA funding was some sort of corrupt political deal.

Both of those situations are probably still crimes, but my point is and was that I can see how they might not have perceived them as such or might have considered them to be part of a grey area. I'm not saying that either is what happened or that either is likely, I'm simply waiting for more facts given that we know literally nothing about what they were doing in there beyond the barebones 4 page affidavit.

It's going to fun watching the DoJ try to prove that a crime was actually committed here.

They've almost certainly got the entering under false pretenses thing proven facially, but I doubt they'd bring charges on that alone, as it's usually part of a lesser-included.
 
The only thing O'Keefe admitted to was going into Landreau's office dressed a telephone repairman. I haven't seen anywhere that he admitted to trying to tamper with the phone system.

He hasn't been charged with trying to tamper with the phone system. He's been charged with entering a federal building under false pretenses. Which he admits to.
 
He hasn't been charged with trying to tamper with the phone system. He's been charged with entering a federal building under false pretenses. Which he admits to.

Yes, he has been charged with trying to tamper with the phone. Read the article. It even says it in the title.

They've almost certainly got the entering under false pretenses thing proven facially, but I doubt they'd bring charges on that alone, as it's usually part of a lesser-included.

That's how I was guessing it would play out. I'll bet their lawyer will make this look like payback for what O'Keefe did to ACORN and the government will drop the charges.
 
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Sentence wise their looking at Up to $250,000 in fines and up to 10 years in a federal prison. And more, if the wire taping charges stick.


Apdst, So your will to let criminals go, because of Acorn? I very much doubt they will drop charges unless they find evidence he was not their to wire tap which is not the case here.
 
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The only thing O'Keefe admitted to was going into Landreau's office dressed a telephone repairman. I haven't seen anywhere that he admitted to trying to tamper with the phone system.

If he conspired with the other people, it doesn't matter whether he himself tried to do anything - they're all guilty of everything that any of them did.

That's how I was guessing it would play out. I'll bet their lawyer will make this look like payback for what O'Keefe did to ACORN and the government will drop the charges.

I very much doubt that will happen. Unless there is some substantially mitigating evidence that comes out, he's probably going to get a substantial punishment up to or including jail.
 
If he conspired with the other people, it doesn't matter whether he himself tried to do anything - they're all guilty of everything that any of them did.

Understood, but my original point still stands.



I very much doubt that will happen. Unless there is some substantially mitigating evidence that comes out, he's probably going to get a substantial punishment up to or including jail.

Substantial punishment, I agree, but I'm betting that they've done all the jail time they're going to do.
 
*They were trying to show how easy it would be for someone with malicious intent to gain access to a Senator's telephone system, but had no intent to actually do anything harmful while they were there.

*They were going to try to use that access to make a call to another politician's office (so it would show up as being from Landreiu) and try to get that politician to admit that the special LA funding was some sort of corrupt political deal.

Both of those situations are probably still crimes, but my point is and was that I can see how they might not have perceived them as such or might have considered them to be part of a grey area. I'm not saying that either is what happened or that either is likely, I'm simply waiting for more facts given that we know literally nothing about what they were doing in there beyond the barebones 4 page affidavit.

They've almost certainly got the entering under false pretenses thing proven facially, but I doubt they'd bring charges on that alone, as it's usually part of a lesser-included.

This sounds like the Steve Martin defense to me. :doh

You can be a millionaire and never pay taxes! You say.. "Steve.. how can I be a millionaire.. and never pay taxes?" First.. get a million dollars.

Now, you say, "Steve, what do I say to the tax man when he comes to my door and says, 'You have never paid taxes'?" Two simple words. Two simple words in the English language: "I forgot!"

How many times do we let ourselves get into terrible situations because we don't say "I forgot"? Let's say you're on trial for armed robbery. You say to the judge, "I forgot armed robbery was illegal." Let's suppose he says back to you, "You have committed a foul crime. you have stolen hundreds and thousands of dollars from people at random, and you say, 'I forgot'?" Two simple words: Excuuuuuse me!!"
 
Apdst, So your will to let criminals go, because of Acorn? I very much doubt they will drop charges unless they find evidence he was not their to wire tap which is not the case here.

:rofl...Well, here in the real world that isn't how the process works.
 
They tap the phone of a US senator! They should be punished to fullest. I said the same thing about that kid who hacked Sarah Plain email.
 
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They tap the phone of a US senator! I bet you, if this were a liberal doing this to a republican office. Republicans would be in an uproar, oh wait that did happen to Sarah Plain. Republicans vilified the son, of the Us democrat senator who hacked her emil remember that.

The only problem, is that they didn't tap the phone.
 
The only problem, is that they didn't tap the phone.

From, the sites I have read about this subject they did tap the phone, and were caught doing it. I think anyone who tries to tap a phone, or hack emails of a senator should be punished to fullest according the laws they broke of course. I am a law and order liberal myself, since my dad is a fire marshal/cop. From, what I know about this is many charges are pending, so they're going to jail for a long time.
 
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They tap the phone of a US senator! I bet you, if this were a liberal doing this to a republican office. Republicans would be in an uproar, oh wait that did happen to Sarah Plain. Republicans vilified the son, of the Us democrat senator who hacked her emil remember that.

In the case you're referring to, the email was illegally accessed and the information was taken and released to the public.

In this case, the phone was not actually accessed and no information was released to anyone.

It's also worth noting that Kernell's trial has been pushed back again, to April of this year. The two might be facing judges at around the same time - so cute!
 
From, the sites I have read about this subject they did tap the phone, and were caught doing it.

Then those sites are mistaken, because that's not what happened. The FBI affidavit makes it quite clear that it was attempted.
 
From, the sites I have read about this subject they did tap the phone, and were caught doing it.

You're obviously reading the wrong articles...:rofl

I hope you're not one of those Liberals that's constantly calling everyone at Fox News a liar...:rofl
 
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Here is the part I find interesting:

A federal law enforcement official said one of the suspects was picked up in a car a couple of blocks away with a listening device that could pick up transmissions.

These guys are in deep doo doo.
 
You're obviously reading the wrong articles...:rofl

Msnbc, and a couple of other sites that aren't liberal all say they were caught in the process of taping.

Then those sites are mistaken, because that's not what happened. The FBI affidavit makes it quite clear that it was attempted.


That is, what I was referring to they were caught in the process of taping a senator phone. They've many other charges pending too.

A federal law enforcement official said one of the suspects was picked up in a car a couple of blocks away with a listening device that could pick up transmissions.

From the article, they tap the phone and were caught doing it.
 
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Here is the part I find interesting:



These guys are in deep doo doo.

But, if there was no transmitter in Landreau's office, possessing a receiver isn't a crime.

If the guys inside the office didn't have any transmitting devices on their persons, then proving intent will be almost impossible.
 
Msnbc, and a couple of other sites that aren't liberal all say they were caught in the process of taping.

Well, taping isn't a crime.







From the article, they tap the phone and were caught doing it.


They didn't tap the phones. Get over it.
 
But, if there was no transmitter in Landreau's office, possessing a receiver isn't a crime.

If the guys inside the office didn't have any transmitting devices on their persons, then proving intent will be almost impossible.

:doh


Do you really think people are that stupid? To believe, these guys weren't taping her office is a miscarriage of justice in my own opinion. Oh trust me they wouldn't have arrested them, if they didn't have enough to bring them to trail.
 
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Well, taping isn't a crime.










They didn't tap the phones. Get over it.

Actually, it is. It is called eavesdropping, and it is a felony.
 
Why anyone acknowledges apdst's posts is beyond my comprehension. :confused:
 
Actually, it is. It is called eavesdropping, and it is a felony.

Plus, it was a senator phone they also could be charged with treason, since most of the information in the senators office is classified.
 
i am betting that young man, while in prison, will realize that pimping ain't easy
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by the time he emerges, he will fully understand that the end does not justify the means
 
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