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Toyota Suspends Sales of 8 Models After Accelerator Pedals Keep Sticking

have no idea, but claiming that we dont drive as much as an excuse is lame. Far from every Euopean lives in big cities, and far from every European lives within walking distance of their work (that is rare as hell). And what does the amount of time spent in a car have to do with the problem at hand? Nothing.

Now could it be a design difference or something .. maybe... but the fact is that it is only in the US/Canada this recall has been made and that is only about 28% of Toyota sales world wide... what about the 72% outside North America?

Looks like you have been misinformed.

The company is already using different parts in models it is now producing in Europe and says it has "no need or intention to stop production in Europe," it said.

Toyota is not a major player in Europe, where it ranked No. 8 by sales last year, with a 5 per cent share of the market. Its models have fared badly as customers were nudged toward smaller fuel-efficient models by cash-for-clunkers government handouts.

The company sold 730,831 cars in the 27-nation European Union, Norway and Iceland in 2009 – down 4.7 per cent from a year earlier. Sales of the luxury Lexus line fell by more than a quarter.

Since Europeans are more in to fuel-efficient vehicles vs. gas guzzlers like Americans prefer, it stands to reason that Europeans would also abstain from driving as much since fuel is so much more expensive in Europe.

Toyota extends car recall to Europe - thestar.com
 
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Most likely it's an issue with automatic models. Most Europeans drive stick. Wouldn't have it any other way.

Amen to that. Some coworkers of mine were sent to the Rolls Royce plant somewhere near London, and they were dismayed at the unavailability of automatics for rentals. They finally found one, though. The problem was that since you guys have right-hand drive vehicles, they were concerned about having to shift gears with their left hands, all the while trying to remember that they must drive on the wrong side of the road. :2razz:
 
Looks like you have been misinformed.

Not exactly. You are talking about market share, I am talking where Toyota sells its cars.

From their financial report about 30% is in North America, 30% in Japan, 15% in Europe and the rest in the rest of the world.. give and take a few % depending on economic winds. So I am not misinformed.

Toyota is the 7th biggest seller in Europe.. out of 18 major car companies. Add to that minor car makers trying to get into the market and we have far more car makers here than in the US. So a 7th place aint bad, considering the European car makers have a "heads up" due to national pride, being in the market place far longer than Toyota and so on. In fact Toyota is the top selling "new from the outside" car maker in Europe and selling more than Mercedes and BMW.. go figure.

The biggest car maker per sales in Europe is VW, followed by Peugeot/Citroen, Ford, Renault, GM (Opel), Fiat and then Toyota.

Of all these car makers only Toyota has not been in the European market place for more than 80+ years.

Since Europeans are more in to fuel-efficient vehicles vs. gas guzzlers like Americans prefer, it stand to reason that Europeans would also abstain from driving as much since fuel is so much more expensive in Europe.

No that is an incorrect assumption. Fuel is more expensive in Europe yes, but that only means we drive less fuel consuming cars. The high fuel prices started long ago, and add in to the picture the regulatory requirements on fuel efficiency and then you have a totally different car market in Europe vs the US. Add to that the near fanatical bond between American's and their cars and you really have a different market.

European cars are far far more fuel efficient on average than American cars. So sure, high oil prices hurt us over here, but no where near as bad as it did in the US. I have a 10 year old VW and Peugot, and they still go further on the gallon than a new GM car does today.

The Toyota Pirus is ground breaking on mileage in the US.. not so much in Europe, and add into the picture that a large portion of cars in Europe (last I looked) run on clean diesel and not on petrol then Totoyta simply dont have any cars that meet that demand.

In the end we still drive a lot in Europe (not as much as the US of course, but no one does that). But if it comes down to walking to the corner store or driving.. we walk (or take a bike).


Yea it came out about an hour ago or so ago.
 
Did you buy it new or used? I imagine that whoever got my old 94 thought it was crappy, too, but it got me to work every morning for 14 years. It earned its right to be crappy with as much as I drove it.

Used, six years old with about 80,000 miles, so not particularly old nor overly/badly used. The previous/original owner had every piece of paperwork on the car, including every small maintenance issue, oil change, etc. I had it fully inspected by a trusted mechanic before purchase.

The engine blew after I'd owned it three months. Things went downhill from there.

Any vehicle that can't last six years without blowing an engine under normal use is a piece of crap.

As for my Ford? It was a GEM. My current Chevy? AWESOME.

Of course, this is all anecdotal, and may not mean a thing to others, but it's good enough for me to avoid Toyotas, just on general principal. The fact that the company made up a big, fat, bull**** story about floor mats being the problem just gives me one more reason to think poorly of both the company and its products.
 
Used, six years old with about 80,000 miles, so not particularly old nor overly/badly used. The previous/original owner had every piece of paperwork on the car, including every small maintenance issue, oil change, etc. I had it fully inspected by a trusted mechanic before purchase.

The engine blew after I'd owned it three months. Things went downhill from there.

Any vehicle that can't last six years without blowing an engine under normal use is a piece of crap.

As for my Ford? It was a GEM. My current Chevy? AWESOME.

Of course, this is all anecdotal, and may not mean a thing to others, but it's good enough for me to avoid Toyotas, just on general principal. The fact that the company made up a big, fat, bull**** story about floor mats being the problem just gives me one more reason to think poorly of both the company and its products.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kmfx2uNzss"]YouTube- Top Gear killing a Toyota part 1[/ame]
 
So much for Pete's implication that American drivers were at fault.

Pete, bashing the US, turning out to be full of it? :shock:
 
Very entertaining video, Alvin. What they did to that truck is exactly what I would have liked to do with my POS Crapola. ;)

But my Toyota was never abused, nor did it have that many miles on it, and it died anyway. How can you explain that?
 
I doubt this will be a problem for long, so you should still be able to buy one. They are nice looking, and as some one who makes parts for Toyota, Chrysler and GM, I can tell you that Toyota quality standards are much higher than other car companies.
I only thanked you so I could be next to aps. j/k :lol:
 
So much for Pete's implication that American drivers were at fault.
He must have thought they use different gas pedals for Europeans. I hear they do have some special model for Spain for people with two left feet.
 
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So much for Pete's implication that American drivers were at fault.

I already posted that sometime ago and Pete conceded that the post had just come out. Old Manc is a day late and a $ short.
 
Very entertaining video, Alvin. What they did to that truck is exactly what I would have liked to do with my POS Crapola. ;)

But my Toyota was never abused, nor did it have that many miles on it, and it died anyway. How can you explain that?

You missed what they did next. They put it on a 15 story apartment building.
Then dropped the building underneath it.

It still drove.

As for yours? No idea.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfZDtC9kjVk&feature=fvw"]YouTube- Top Gear - killing a Toyota Pt 3 - BBC[/ame]
 
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Very entertaining video, Alvin. What they did to that truck is exactly what I would have liked to do with my POS Crapola. ;)

But my Toyota was never abused, nor did it have that many miles on it, and it died anyway. How can you explain that?
Poor maintenance.
 
Definitely should by Toyota then, as they are made in teh USA!!!

I don't care that they are made in USA or partially made here the point is that the company is owned by a foreign corporation.

BUY AMERICAN AND LIVE !!!!
 
I don't care that they are made in USA or partially made here the point is that the company is owned by a foreign corporation.

BUY AMERICAN AND LIVE !!!!

Toyota is a publicly owned company. By comparison, Ford is a...publicly owned company. In other words, you can buy Toyota stock and be a partial owner too. Welcome to the 21st century.
 
Toyota is a publicly owned company. By comparison, Ford is a...publicly owned company. In other words, you can buy Toyota stock and be a partial owner too. Welcome to the 21st century.

We went through this argument back in Augustwhen this story really broke and some people wanted to sweep in under the rug, ooopos, I mean car mat.
As I informed you in August we are all aware of what a publically owned corporation is but all publically owned corporations are domiciled somewhere and that somewhere is a country where it is controlled. Just because you or I can own a few stocks in Toyota or Ford that doesn't amount to squat when it comes to control.

Hey I have a few thousand stocks in an insurance comapny that I once worked for but I do not did not and will not be able to control the policy of that publically owned company anymore than you can with your stock in Toyota even if you do "GET YOU HANDS ON A TOYOTA".





BTW the concept of a publically owned corporation was true in the 19th, 2oth, as well as in the 21st century.
 
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We went through this argument back in Augustwhen this story really broke and some people wanted to sweep in under the rug, ooopos, I mean car mat.
As I informed you in August we are all aware of what a publically owned corporation is but all publically owned corporations are domiciled somewhere and that somewhere is a country where it is controlled. Just because you or I can own a few stocks in Toyota or Ford that doesn't amount to squat when it comes to control.

Hye I have a few thousand stocks in an insuarance comapny that I once worked for but I do not did not and will not be able to control the policy of that publically owned company anymore than you can with your stock in Toyota even if you do "GET YOU HANDS ON A TOYOTA".





BTW that was true in the 19th, 2oth, as when as the 21st century.

And none of that has anything to do with whether it is a Japanese owned company. It's owned by whoever owns the stock. This is really basic stuff. No one cares where the CEO is headquartered, only that he makes good decisions.
 
If you like walking.

I have owned at least 12 - new American brand cars and most I kept runnig well past 100 k miles. The American branded car that I will say was garbage was an AMERICAN MOTORS. Ironic but unfortunately true..

American auto manufacturers learned their lesson the hard way and they have made strides in quality that has not been accepted by people blinded by propoganda and false ideas.
 
And none of that has anything to do with whether it is a Japanese owned company. It's owned by whoever owns the stock. This is really basic stuff. No one cares where the CEO is headquartered, only that he makes good decisions.

Look the "real basic" stuff is that who controls the bulk of the stock. When it comes to Toyota I will challenge you to show me that it is other than Japanese. Sure there are institutional investors who "own" big batches but let's face it Toyota pays taxes and lives under the rules of the country where it is domicled in and that ain't the USA.

Hey Ford once owned about 30 + % of MAZDA yet MAZDA WAS STILL A Japanese company and Ford had influence but never control.
 
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