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Alaska: Palin Daughter Seeks Child Support

Notice how you're not giving us any facts?

BN /fail.

When you're an enabler of your state's governor and family for partisan reasons facts go out the window.

Oh Jeeze I just realized I got sucked into this worthless thread!
 
I always kept my pants on when I was a teenager as the consequences were too formidable if I didn't. When I became older I ALWAYS made sure some kind of contraception was used and in fact by BOTH parties. It's not that hard really. (no pun intended). :mrgreen:

Come on why does society today excuse lack of self control and irresponsible behavior?
I don't excuse it but, I do understand it and how it can happen. This doesn't mean I will leave anyone behind for making a stupid decision, most youngsters do and some are lucky and some are not. The end result is how will they handle this problem. Having the media spotlight on them and attacking them at every turn, just is going to make their situation much worse and the ultimate victim will be their child. So look to the motivation of those who attack this family, why are they doing this with a total disregard to the suffering that may ensue. We have become a very callous nation that looks for instant gratification at all cost.



Come on why does society today excuse lack of self control and irresponsible
I believe because we are bombarded with images and messages from the very ones who are attacking this two kids. Also the parents probably dropped the ball somewhere along the line or did they, I wouldn't know and I will not presume to know.
 
The man is a genius. :lol:

I had to enlighten some of you. Some actually believed only Levi was responsible for the pregnancy. They trashed him and treated Bristol like a victim. Get it now?
 
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Imagine you teach a dog that eating your shoes is bad. You tell this dog every day to not eat your shoe because it is bad. You take this dog to training schools so that he won't eat yours shoes. You spend years giving him healthy food and buying him play toys so he won't eat your shoes. After about 4 years you get home one day and find your dog has destroyed all of your shoes. Would you consider yourself a failure as a dog owner? I certainly would. Why? Because even after years of effort, and hard work and caring for that dog, he still went and ate the shoes. This is certainly a failure on somebody's behalf.
I think the human race is far more complicated than a dog's life. In regards to dogs, there are dogs that can not be trained no matter what a trainer does, so what they do is destroy the dog, I think the human race is above this, or at least I hope so. When I was young I used to think as you do, but being a father today I completely understand what they are going through, I don't condone it but I understand it.
 
Sure. Why not?

Why not? Because PBO's kid getting knecked up and taking the sperm donor to court for child support wouldn't be anymore news worthy than this is. That's why not.
 
Why not? Because PBO's kid getting knecked up and taking the sperm donor to court for child support wouldn't be anymore news worthy than this is. That's why not.

They can write what they want. I don't have to read it.
 
How much more did Palin use her family than say, Obama used his? Google "Obama Daughters" and find all the images of Obama on stage with his wife and kids.

LOTS.. Palin's children were almost always there, where as Obama's children were back home in school for the most part.

There was not a rally that I saw where at least one of the children usually all of the were there.

Bottom line is, you cannot be in the national spotlight as a politicians and keep your kids or wife behind closed doors.

No you cant, but you dont have to promote them like Palin did either.

I'd suggest that the media made the spotlight on Palin's kids. Palin herself didn't use them as props more or less than any other politician running for VP. Yet, the media, in a frenzy to dig up dirt sent loads of reporters to Alaska to dig up anything they could and that was widely covered and the AP and other news organizations didn't deny it.

The hell she did. I understand the family being there when she was announced, and even a few campaign spots that promoted family values or something, but at every freaking campaign stop that was shown on tv and reported about Palin had her children there. They were there when she was calling Obama a terrorist and they were there when she had the much hyped 15k town hall.

Yet, the story NOW, which is what the OP is stating - has nothing to do with Palin though the coverage of it is meant to still disparage her. The hate is still there for Palin by many in the media and politics. Some part of it is still the fear they have for having her make decisions for this country as she is the anti-Liberal anti-Progressive and she's got people's attention and continues to garner their attention.

No because the Palin daughter is a somewhat celeb now days thanks to her mother promoting her, her ex and her babybump on stage over and over again. Chelsea Clinton still gets mentioned in the media from time to time and she never had the same amount of exposure as Palin's kids.
 
LOTS.. Palin's children were almost always there, where as Obama's children were back home in school for the most part.

There was not a rally that I saw where at least one of the children usually all of the were there.



No you cant, but you dont have to promote them like Palin did either.



The hell she did. I understand the family being there when she was announced, and even a few campaign spots that promoted family values or something, but at every freaking campaign stop that was shown on tv and reported about Palin had her children there. They were there when she was calling Obama a terrorist and they were there when she had the much hyped 15k town hall.



No because the Palin daughter is a somewhat celeb now days thanks to her mother promoting her, her ex and her babybump on stage over and over again. Chelsea Clinton still gets mentioned in the media from time to time and she never had the same amount of exposure as Palin's kids.
Obama's kids are younger than Palin's, and yes they were exactly where they were supposed to be..in school. We don't punish kids for parent's over reactions and if we do then we don't need to beat them to a pulp.
 
$1750/mo for one child?

What kind of job does this kid do anyway??
 
Obama's kids are younger than Palin's, and yes they were exactly where they were supposed to be..in school. We don't punish kids for parent's over reactions and if we do then we don't need to beat them to a pulp.

Hog wash.

Trig born in 2008
Piper from 2001 (age 7 during the campaign.)
Willow from 1995 (age 13 during the campaign.)
Bristol from 1991 (age 17 during the campaign.)
Track from 1989 (age 19 during the campaign.)

Obamas kids were 5 and 8 during the campaign.

Piper and Willow were there all the time beside Palin's side, often carrying Trig. They should have been in school as should Bristol since she had not graduated as far as I know.

Palin exploited her own children constantly and can not come now or then and claim outrage over the media's glare on the same children. She made the bed and now she has to sleep in it.
 
Hog wash.

Trig born in 2008
Piper from 2001 (age 7 during the campaign.)
Willow from 1995 (age 13 during the campaign.)
Bristol from 1991 (age 17 during the campaign.)
Track from 1989 (age 19 during the campaign.)

Obamas kids were 5 and 8 during the campaign.

Piper and Willow were there all the time beside Palin's side, often carrying Trig. They should have been in school as should Bristol since she had not graduated as far as I know.

Palin exploited her own children constantly and can not come now or then and claim outrage over the media's glare on the same children. She made the bed and now she has to sleep in it.

At how many states during the campaign in 2008 were Piper and WIllow there carrying Trig exactly. You're view is biased against her, so you make claims that cannot be quantified. I agree, they were there some of the time but no more involved than Obama's. Your subjective view is Palin's kids were used as props MORE than Obama's. I say they were used as props just as much as Obama's. It's subjective... as is your "you made your bed" comment. The campaign is over... Bristol is an adult according to the law, yet still in the news to shill against Sarah... this is done out of fear.

So, to summarize ...Quantify it, show every single campaign stop and the involvement with evidence and proof... otherwise, this is your opinion, it's subjective at best, and Pete you're one of the biggest partisan shills for Obama on this site. Why would anyone who thinks for themselves believe you again when you have little to no credibility to the non kool-aid drinker?


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The fact that Sarah Palin continues to respond to this situation says a great deal about her character. She can't let it go. If she did, the media wouldn't ignore this story, but it wouldn't be nearly the big deal it is because SP can't let it go.

If Sarah Palin were a Democrat, the situation would be exactly the same, except Republicans would be taking delight in her troubles. The media would react exactly the same. Then again, if she were a Democrat, chances are she'd have taught her daughter how to use a condom.

And Palin did/does use her family differently than Obama does. Go back and look at her first speech to the GOP convention. It was ALL about her wonderful family, her special-needs child, and her stellar status as a roll model: "hockey mom," anyone remember that?

If one of Obama's daughters got pregnant, it would embarrass him, but not the way it has embarrassed Palin. Remember, she's the "abstinence-only" candidate. She had to put her daughter out there to announce she's back on the wagon. Obama's family life is very private; he's have handled it very differently.

If the kind of defensive, reactive, public-row-oriented style is how Palin handles her family life, imagine what would happen if she were in charge of US foreign policy. :roll:
 
At how many states during the campaign in 2008 were Piper and WIllow there carrying Trig exactly. You're view is biased against her, so you make claims that cannot be quantified. I agree, they were there some of the time but no more involved than Obama's. Your subjective view is Palin's kids were used as props MORE than Obama's. I say they were used as props just as much as Obama's. It's subjective... as is your "you made your bed" comment. The campaign is over... Bristol is an adult according to the law, yet still in the news to shill against Sarah... this is done out of fear.

So, to summarize ...Quantify it, show every single campaign stop and the involvement with evidence and proof... otherwise, this is your opinion, it's subjective at best, and Pete you're one of the biggest partisan shills for Obama on this site. Why would anyone who thinks for themselves believe you again when you have little to no credibility to the non kool-aid drinker?


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LOL the classic attempt to derail the debate.. give me empirical evidence that is near impossible to give.

How about you prove that the Obama girls were at campaign events in near equal or equal amounts as the Palin children under age 18?
 
LOL the classic attempt to derail the debate.. give me empirical evidence that is near impossible to give.

How about you prove that the Obama girls were at campaign events in near equal or equal amounts as the Palin children under age 18?

Neither can be proven, hence my statement that it's a subjective view. I'm willing to say they were the same, you claim it was much more and Palin deserves everything she gets.

Of course, your claim is irrelevant to this thread... if you make a claim especially one so emphatic, arrogant and partisan as yours is -- then prove it. Since you cannot provide empirical evidence, and I'm willing to concede both used their kids equally as much... it's all on you brother.
 
Neither can be proven, hence my statement that it's a subjective view. I'm willing to say they were the same, you claim it was much more and Palin deserves everything she gets.

Of course, your claim is irrelevant to this thread... if you make a claim especially one so emphatic, arrogant and partisan as yours is -- then prove it. Since you cannot provide empirical evidence, and I'm willing to concede both used their kids equally as much... it's all on you brother.

I think you are wrong here. Just this week Sarah had Bristol on Oprah with her. I felt sad for Bristol. Only 19 and having your mom talk about your sexual activity on national tv.

It is that same old "leave my children alone" and then drag them out in front of every tv camera you can.

Her discussing her youngest son with Down's Syndrome I think was done with that parent concern and also points to be made politically. One thing that always makes me wonder would be how much did she promote for special need kids before her son was born? Same thing for Michael J Fox how much did he compaign for Parkinson's disease before he had it?
 
Hog wash.

Trig born in 2008
Piper from 2001 (age 7 during the campaign.)
Willow from 1995 (age 13 during the campaign.)
Bristol from 1991 (age 17 during the campaign.)
Track from 1989 (age 19 during the campaign.)

Obamas kids were 5 and 8 during the campaign.

Piper and Willow were there all the time beside Palin's side, often carrying Trig. They should have been in school as should Bristol since she had not graduated as far as I know.

Palin exploited her own children constantly and can not come now or then and claim outrage over the media's glare on the same children. She made the bed and now she has to sleep in it.
Are you even married, do you have children?
 
I think you are wrong here. Just this week Sarah had Bristol on Oprah with her. I felt sad for Bristol. Only 19 and having your mom talk about your sexual activity on national tv.

It is that same old "leave my children alone" and then drag them out in front of every tv camera you can.

Correct me here... but isn't Bristol an adult and if she didn't want to go on Oprah, that she could say no? Can you tell me how she "dragged her in front of the tv camera" in this case because I have no evidence that is what happened. As far as I know, Bristol gladly went on and it was her own decision.

Her discussing her youngest son with Down's Syndrome I think was done with that parent concern and also points to be made politically. One thing that always makes me wonder would be how much did she promote for special need kids before her son was born? Same thing for Michael J Fox how much did he compaign for Parkinson's disease before he had it?
She may have been going after political points but I wasn't aware that the "Downs Syndrome" voting block was a traceable in the last campaign. An alternative view may be that she is very family oriented and she involves her family in all aspects of her life... and that includes her political life.

But you ask a good question about the involvement of special needs kids prior to 2008's VP nod. I'd also be interested to see how much she involved her kids in the Governors race at the time. Was the just as much involvement or was it appreciably less?
 
I think you are wrong here. Just this week Sarah had Bristol on Oprah with her. I felt sad for Bristol. Only 19 and having your mom talk about your sexual activity on national tv.

It is that same old "leave my children alone" and then drag them out in front of every tv camera you can.

Her discussing her youngest son with Down's Syndrome I think was done with that parent concern and also points to be made politically. One thing that always makes me wonder would be how much did she promote for special need kids before her son was born? Same thing for Michael J Fox how much did he compaign for Parkinson's disease before he had it?
Are you doling out your paycheck to all the orgs trying to cure diseases that you don't have?
 
But remember, your talking about a state where it's very hard to hire an unskilled worker for less than $15 and hour, and $5 for a burger is a good deal.
 
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so...you are assuming that he has made no effort to help out....think it is possible that the Palin's are playing 'games' with him?

No.

If the father was doing his duty, the mother of his child would not be required to file suit to get money from him.

Duh.
 
Given the rampant dishonesty of Palin during her tenure as governor of Alaska;

Be specific.

Address in your answer the perfect score of those claiming ethics charges against her, ie, all charges filed dismissed as baseless.

Explain also how the grandson's sperm donor's failure to be a man and support his child negatively impacts anything about Sarah Palin.
 
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