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Isn't it not just lobbyists but also political groups that write legislation?
Isn't it not just lobbyists but also political groups that write legislation?
It doesn't matter who writes it. Anybody can go to Congress and hand them a bill and say "you should pass this." So what?
What matters is who votes on it. That's Congress alone. It is their power and their responsibility.
Isn't it not just lobbyists but also political groups that write legislation?
I know. I was just stating a fact. I didn't say whether it was good or bad.
We can vote out constituents (you mean congressmen), but not lobbyists.
Yes. I agree they do.
Yet Jack Abramoff and his like are what Vader was getting at. We can vote out constituents, but not lobbyists. These people are usually more talented, better paid, and have a silky tongue even Obama would envy.
But in the end it shouldn't matter. If our politicians get swayed by lobbyists to vote against their constituents wishes, then they should be voted out.
But in the end it shouldn't matter. If our politicians get swayed by lobbyists to vote against their constituents wishes, then they should be voted out.
Maybe the solution would be shorter terms for senators.
Right. Blaming lobbyists just takes responsibility from those who choose to take their advice - and those of us who choose those congressmen.
I know, you keep saying it as if it will magically become true.
It is logical to assume that if congressmen are voting for laws that constituents don't like then they'll be voted out of office. I mean, we do have elections, right?
If it's not a person then how can it possibly have rights protected under the constitution that a person has?
Maybe senators should be voted in via the approval of a state congress?
Maybe senators should be voted in via the approval of a state congress?
It's not a talking point, it's empirical fact. Unions fill out the bulk of the list of biggest campaign donors.
And death to US democracy. So when is the new Senator for Bank of America going to take his seat?
And death to US democracy. So when is the new Senator for Bank of America going to take his seat?
I never thought of it that way. Maybe it will. I just dislike business and politics being in bed with one another.
Maybe ... I just do not trust business ... or the government to be honest.
I see "Tea Party" under your name. And your first distrust is against business? How can someone who supports the Tea Party concept (most of us strongly support the U. S. Constitution) be more skeptical against business than government. Business makes government possible, although you would never understand this from the present, opaque administration.
Now there's a strawman if I ever saw one. Who is anti-business? Some of us are simply anti-corporate-control-of-our-government.For what common citizen? Look, I am a veteran truck driver, I can assure you that I don't set the world on fire, but tell me, all you anti business people, what are you going to do for a job when you destroy the ones currently?
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Now there's a strawman if I ever saw one. Who is anti-business? Some of us are simply anti-corporate-control-of-our-government.
No, we have a farse. We are presented candidates to vote on. Most constituents are low-info voters and easily hoodwinked by ads.It is logical to assume that if congressmen are voting for laws that constituents don't like then they'll be voted out of office. I mean, we do have elections, right?
No, we have a farse. We are presented candidates to vote on. Most constituents are low-info voters and easily hoodwinked by ads.