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GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

Strucky said:
Then you should be supporting job creation instead of handouts.
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And just hope those people never get sick until they can afford health insurance?

I prefer job creation to come from the private sector, as I do with health care.
 
Gibberish said:
So people choose to live in poverty?
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You posted: "Hurray no healthcare for millions of americans".
I responded with: "That's their choice. You got a problem with that?"

It's understood that people who live in poverty qualify for medicaid, right? So, obviously, we're not talking about people who live in poverty...

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Dix said:
You posted: "Hurray no healthcare for millions of americans".
I responded with: "That's their choice. You got a problem with that?"

It's understood that people who live in poverty qualify for medicaid, right? So, obviously, we're not talking about people who live in poverty...

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I didn't post "Hurray no healthcare for millions of americans" :doh
 
Gibberish said:
Millions of people. Are you saying that sleeping on the cold street in rags and eating out of a dumpster isn't really that bad? I suggest you try it for a week. Maybe you can walk down the street and tell the family living in the alley they should be happy that they don't live in Africa or China. I'm sure that will make them feel better.

Anyway, I am for supporting those people struggling to make a life but cannot afford the added cost of basic health care. It is in the countries long term benefit to make sure these workers are healthy, working, and increasing their economic status.

This country benefits from less poverty, not more.
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Dav said:
*COUGH*Medicaid*COUGH*
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Emphasis added.
 
Gibberish said:
And just hope those people never get sick until they can afford health insurance?
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We survived as a nation for over 200 years without the "reform" that isn't reform....I think we'll survive another 200 without it.


I prefer job creation to come from the private sector, as I do with health care.
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Then why do you want this horrible "reform" bill so bad?
 
Strucky said:
We survived as a nation for over 200 years without the "reform" that isn't reform....I think we'll survive another 200 without it.
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Yes we will, we will just fall into further and further separated social classes.
For this country to continue on a prosperous and moral path we can't allow the lower class/poor to become the majority. We need to do what we can to bring those in the lower classes up to higher classes.

Social class - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Strucky said:
Then why do you want this horrible "reform" bill so bad?
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I specifically stated multiple times I am against this health care plan.
 
Dix said:
No. I never said that. Read what I was responding to. :shrug:
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You responded to the post that said "Hurray no healthcare for millions of americans." with "That's their choice".

The majority of those individuals that don't have health care cannot afford health care so are are saying they choose to live within this "poor" income level.

Hell when I was in my early twenties making a little over $30k I could barley afford health care. I think I was paying about $550/month.
 
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tlmorg02 said:
Incorrect and misleading as usual. The tax revenue generated would largely be the burden of corporate and upper echelon. But the fear mongering you are regurgitating was certainly effective in swaying voters.

The taxing of healthcare plans was refused by the Dems after its proposal. And people are not making money because of the last eight-years of Republican economics. Its called the trickle-down effect and the pores have clogged!
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I know this is a difficult concept for people who believe that money is produced by magic and attaned by theft, but the entities you fantasize about paying for the health care of the unproductive strata, are perfectly capable of passing their expenses to the working class.
 
Gibberish said:
You can afford a 3BR Condo in Jersey though. :2wave:

Having basic health care is not the same as living a chosen lifestyle. What would be the same is if you couldn't afford a house at all. You can move into government sponsored housing until you could afford better.
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Oh, so what you mean is that I can't get something that I can't afford, but some basic level of housing is available to me if I am below a certain standard of living? That sounds pretty much like our current healthcare system.

If we were to analogize the healthcare proposal, it would be like saying we're going to give out government subsidies to people who can only afford to rent, because we think everyone should have the chance to own a house. We tried that. It failed miserably.

Then they choose not to get it. There are also millions of people want it and can't afford it. Help those that want help and let those that don't deal with the consequences.
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And I wouldn't have a problem with a bill that sought to do just that. If anyone proposes it, let me know.

50% is not equal to EVERYONE.
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My apologies, I misread "You forget that there is still a overall % approval for the program" as you saying that you thought the approval rating for the bill was overall positive.

Gibberish said:
You responded to the post that said "Hurray no healthcare for millions of americans." with "That's their choice".

The majority of those individuals that don't have health care cannot afford health care so are are saying they choose to live within this "poor" income level.

Hell when I was in my early twenties making a little over $30k I could barley afford health care. I think I was paying about $550/month.
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That would have been 20-22% of your income. What do you think is the appropriate percentage of income we can expect people to pay?
 
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RightinNYC said:
And there's the bumper sticker-esque discourse that this country really needs right now. Ranks right up there with "Bush Lied, People Died" and "Obamanation."

edit: Your signature says "When did the dumbest people get to make being smart (elite) something bad?"

Why don't you eschew the sound-byte tactics of "the dumbest people" and demonstrate more "elite" behavior by elaborating on your position?
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OK, the negative campaign against health insurance reform worked. When polls ask if people like the various things in the Senate Bill without being told it is in the Senate Bill then the response is overwhelmingly positive in support. If you then ask them about the Senate Bill, they say they don't like it. They like the good things in the Bill but they don't like the bad things like Ben Nelsons medicare debacle and government mandate without insurance company cost controls. What other negative things are in the Bill? Have YOU read it?

It's not a "government takeover of your health care". There is no public option in the Bill.
No panels to decide if the infirm, elderly or Palins grandson should continue to live.
No tax payer abortion funding.

The dems do what they usually do, screw up their own birthday. They had a super majority and they spent an entire year chasing the negative campaign. That's one reason why I don't like or vote for either party.

To the person who said all Americans have health care through emergency rooms, are you really that ignorant or are you just really that partisan? I bet people would rather prevent an illness instead of waiting until you need emergency help for it because that is sinking our nation.
 
Gibberish said:
we can't allow the lower class/poor to become the majority.
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Last time I checked the poor are not in danger of becoming the majority....Well,it won't happen unless the Health Deform bill and Crap and Tax are passed.

I specifically stated multiple times I am against this health care plan.
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Then theres no reason to be upset if it doesn't pass.
 
NoJingoLingo said:
To the person who said all Americans have health care through emergency rooms, are you really that ignorant or are you just really that partisan? I bet people would rather prevent an illness instead of waiting until you need emergency help for it because that is sinking our nation.
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So how does health insurance prevent you from becoming sick?I've had health insurance through my work for the last 4 years.....Still got sick at least twice a year.
 
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NoJingoLingo said:
OK, the negative campaign against health insurance reform worked. When polls ask if people like the various things in the Senate Bill without being told it is in the Senate Bill then the response is overwhelmingly positive in support. If you then ask them about the Senate Bill, they say they don't like it. They like the good things in the Bill but they don't like the bad things like Ben Nelsons medicare debacle and government mandate without insurance company cost controls.
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So what you're saying is that people like nice things in the abstract, don't like bad things in the abstract, and overall don't like the Senate Bill?

If you asked me whether I would like it if everyone had healthcare, I would say yes. If you asked me whether I would like it if everyone had healthcare and that were paid for by raising taxes and moving to a single-payer system, I would say no.

Do you see why it would be disingenuous to argue "Oh, he really wants everyone to have healthcare, he's just being lied to about the details of the whole proposal. He thinks its a good idea to move to a single-payer system and raise taxes."

What other negative things are in the Bill? Have YOU read it?
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I can guarantee that I've read more of it than you have.

It's not a "government takeover of your health care".
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Where did I say it was?

There is no public option in the Bill.
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Where did I say there was?

No panels to decide if the infirm, elderly or Palins grandson should continue to live.
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Setting aside the fact that that's not what the "death panel" i.e. cost-effectiveness panel issue should really be about, I would love it if they were in the bill.

No tax payer abortion funding.
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Setting aside the fact that this is hardly settled, I don't really give a **** either way.
 
RightinNYC said:
Setting aside the fact that that's not what the "death panel" i.e. cost-effectiveness panel issue should really be about, I would love it if they were in the bill.
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You make so much sense, and then you always say something weird like this.

How can a life be given a cost value?
 
Strucky said:
We survived as a nation for over 200 years without the "reform" that isn't reform....I think we'll survive another 200 without it.




Then why do you want this horrible "reform" bill so bad?
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I was wondering the same thing............
 
Here is how I see it. It's not epic at all, but something to be expected, given the track record of the Democrats last year. They had control of everything. The word "epic" would normally apply to how badly the Democrats screwed things up last year, but knowing their past track record, and history of pulling defeats out of the jaws of victory, I don't think "epic" can really apply there either.

Look, if some dumb guy, like myself, on an internet forum, can call this election days before it happened, then why weren't the almighty pundits doing the same? Because they had to build up drama to increase their ratings. Isn't that why we call them media whores?

This wasn't rocket science folks, and certainly does not fall into the "epic" category either. The best candidate already had it won before the polls even opened.
 
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Gibberish said:
This country benefits from less poverty, not more.
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Name the federal programs that's significantly reduced poverty.


WRONG. No federal program has reduced the poverty rate. It was declining on it's own just fine before the Great Society. It stopped declining when the Great Society was implemented, and has hovered around 11% ever since.
 
danarhea said:
Here is how I see it. It's not epic at all, but something to be expected, given the track record of the Democrats last year. They had control of everything. The word "epic" would normally apply to how badly the Democrats screwed things up last year, but knowing their past track record, and history of pulling defeats out of the jaws of victory, I don't think "epic" can really apply there either.

Look, if some dumb guy, like myself, on an internet forum, can call this election days before it happened, then why weren't the almighty pundits doing the same? Because they had to build up drama to increase their ratings. Isn't that why we call them media whores?

This wasn't rocket science folks. The best candidate already had it won before the polls opened.
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I think that's pretty much it. It's a win, and it helps the GOP, but we're a long way from this being a big deal.

If Brown had defeated a living and healthy incumbent (Kennedy or Kerry), then yeah that's big news. But my feeling is either of those guys would have squashed Brown like a bug.
 
The funniest part of the Liberals getting their fifth points of contact getting spanked raw, is that it happened in not only the most Liberal state in the country, but the state that will be affected the least by Obamacare.
 
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