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GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

danarhea said:
Actually, Palin is a total idiot.
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They said exactly the same thing about Reagan.

She delivers a message very similar to Reagan.

Now with a forum on FOXNEWS the remainder of the people can discover she isn't the idiot some people claim she is.

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Cilogy said:
Anti-big government, even though he is being elected into an office under that title.

Anti-tax, even though taxes ... uuuh ... kinda make this country work.

He's anti-gay marriage, which pulls him down a lot. He's okay with concealed carry of weapons :shock:

Of course he has some good policies, but the bad ones pull him down a lot.
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I'm sorry, but he's a Republican and he's winning in Massachusetts; how, exactly, is he being dragged down?

Did you want him to win, not merely in a substantial way, but in a landslide way?

I'm sorry, but the polls didn't lie; he won in a big way, big upset, and you say he's being pulled down by something? If he was being pulled down by anything, I think it'd show in the race.
 
Navy Pride said:
Unbelieveable, How sweet it is.........Dems are even saying take your health care and shove it where the sun does not shine.............:lol:
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This Dem is and has been. I'm Glad a Republican was able to take the position.

The government has no business in wasting my money on a program that can be more efficiently run in the private sector with simple Government oversight.
 
Areopagitican said:
I'm sorry, but he's a Republican and he's winning in Massachusetts; how, exactly, is he being dragged down?

Did you want him to win, not merely in a substantial way, but in a landslide way?

I'm sorry, but the polls didn't lie; he won in a big way, big upset, and you say he's being pulled down by something? If he was being pulled down by anything, I think it'd show in the race.
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I'm not talking about polls I'm talking about how me and Scarecrow have fundamentally different views of him.
 
zimmer said:
They said exactly the same thing about Reagan.

She delivers a message very similar to Reagan.

Now with a forum on FOXNEWS the remainder of the people can discover she isn't the idiot some people claim she is.

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Like it matters whether our President is smart. Sure, it's fine if they have a decent intellect but it's not like Obama is making decisions by himself in a vacuum. For instance, I hope no one truly believes Obama formulates his own policy or writes his own speeches! He relies on some character judgment and a solid amount of luck to make sure the people that surround him aren't morons. Other than that... I doubt any presidential candidate since the 1900s could really have enough intellect to understand the minutiae of policy.
 
zimmer said:
They said exactly the same thing about Reagan.

She delivers a message very similar to Reagan.

Now with a forum on FOXNEWS the remainder of the people can discover she isn't the idiot some people claim she is.

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Except Reagan spoke extremely well, and was very intellectually engaging. Palin possesses neither of these qualities. Moreover, Americans are starting to move left on social issues, as they should be, which means Palin's social conservatism will only hurt her chances.
 
zimmer said:
They said exactly the same thing about Reagan.

She delivers a message very similar to Reagan.

Now with a forum on FOXNEWS the remainder of the people can discover she isn't the idiot some people claim she is.

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You cannot compare Palin to Reagan. Seriously.
 
Areopagitican said:
Like it matters whether our President is smart. Sure, it's fine if they have a decent intellect but it's not like Obama is making decisions by himself in a vacuum. For instance, I hope no one truly believes Obama formulates his own policy or writes his own speeches! He relies on some character judgment and a solid amount of luck to make sure the people that surround him aren't morons. Other than that... I doubt any presidential candidate since the 1900s could really have enough intellect to understand the minutiae of policy.
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I think intelligence is necessary for the job of Executive. It doesn't mean in and of itself it will always produce great results. There's political platform, policy, integrity, etc. involved as well. But intelligence is a necessary part of the equation.
 
Areopagitican said:
Like it matters whether our President is smart. Sure, it's fine if they have a decent intellect but it's not like Obama is making decisions by himself in a vacuum. For instance, I hope no one truly believes Obama formulates his own policy or writes his own speeches! He relies on some character judgment and a solid amount of luck to make sure the people that surround him aren't morons. Other than that... I doubt any presidential candidate since the 1900s could really have enough intellect to understand the minutiae of policy.
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I agree to a large degree.

Reagan had a clear vision and the brains to understand he had to get the right people into the right seats, and let them carry out his vision.
Being Governor of California helped with the task.
The press ceaselessly called Reagan a dangerous moron.

Obama, lacks judgment, and it was this he claimed to have in spades.
He ranted about his judgment endlessly on the trail.
What did he do? Nominated three tax cheats for cabinet positions, including one for the treasury.
And the press slobbers about how brilliant he is.

He lacks executive experience.
His only experience is organizing people, and he failed at that.
No private business expereince, in fact he loathed his only private sector job.

Palin like Reagan has executive experience in a state that has a serious role in our national economy; unlike Clinton... heralded as another genius.

I'll take the morons Thankyou.

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Areopagitican said:
Like it matters whether our President is smart. Sure, it's fine if they have a decent intellect but it's not like Obama is making decisions by himself in a vacuum. For instance, I hope no one truly believes Obama formulates his own policy or writes his own speeches! He relies on some character judgment and a solid amount of luck to make sure the people that surround him aren't morons. Other than that... I doubt any presidential candidate since the 1900s could really have enough intellect to understand the minutiae of policy.
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Interesting post. I think this is often overlooked.

Look at any business/organization/corporation - rarely is the most 'intelligent' person the CEO. Why? Because it's rare that a genius knows how to apply the knowledge that they have.

The best CEOs are excellent managers who are able to gather the smartest people on various subjects/areas and make good decisions by asking the right questions of the experts (and the naysayers) and then weighing the benefits and risks.

During the '08 campaign this was probably my biggest concern about Obama - he doesn't have a background that we can draw on to determine if he would do this well.
 
I'm enjoying watching Chris Mathews practically in tears with the shocked look on his face. He won't accept any excuse for this Dem defeat except for a bad campaign. It couldn't have been related to her planned role as an Obama druid and health care bill supporter.
 
Gibberish said:
This Dem is and has been. I'm Glad a Republican was able to take the position.

The government has no business in wasting my money on a program that can be more efficiently run in the private sector with simple Government oversight.
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I heard on Fox tonight that Senators Bayh and Webb said to hold off on any health care bill until Brown is seated.......
 
Ethereal said:
Except Reagan spoke extremely well, and was very intellectually engaging. Palin possesses neither of these qualities. Moreover, Americans are starting to move left on social issues, as they should be, which means Palin's social conservatism will only hurt her chances.
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And Reagan was in politics for over 20 years before he was elected president ven making the key note speech for Goldwater in 1964.........
 
rebelbuc said:
I'm enjoying watching Chris Mathews practically in tears with the shocked look on his face. He won't accept any excuse for this Dem defeat except for a bad campaign. It couldn't have been related to her planned role as an Obama druid and health care bill supporter.
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I rarely watch MSNBC, but had to tune in just to see Mathews, Maddow and Olbermann.

Just waiting for one of their heads to explode.

Maddow keeps mentioning that Coakley is a long time public servant. Uh, so is Brown.
 
Navy Pride said:
I heard on Fox tonight that Senators Bayh and Webb said to hold off on any health care bill until Brown is seated.......
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As they should. The problem in the Democrats in the higher ranking positions are all crap and make the rest of the Democrats look bad.

We Democrats need to get rid of Pelosi, Reid, Kerry and their ilk.
 
Ethereal said:
Except Reagan spoke extremely well, and was very intellectually engaging. Palin possesses neither of these qualities. Moreover, Americans are starting to move left on social issues, as they should be, which means Palin's social conservatism will only hurt her chances.
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Hmm, what evidence do you have to suggest that Americans are moving left on social issues?

I respectfully suggest that you learn a bit more about Palin before you typecast her.

Underestimate her at your own peril. I would hazard a guess that most of what guides your opinion has been framed by the same folks who view Scott Brown as a joke (hint - Keith Olbermann).
 
Dutch said:
I think this is the "real" lesson of the last election. The democrats thought the country wanted a liberal regime with liberal policies. I think the american public was simply tired of bush's spending policies. I'm with you. The republicans, assuming they win big this fall, better come through for us.
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Obama won because people were sick of Bush and his policies. Bush was an inept president. He got us into a stupid war in Iraq that is unpopular. He was perceived as a tool of the oil companies. He was originally elected under shady circumstances.

Obama was perceived as hip, Black, different. He came across well. They could vote for a Black who was 'articulate' and tell their friends they voted for 'change' and were a part of 'history'.

He wasn't elected specifically on healthcare.

This vote is a resounding negative commentary on Obama and his harebrained tax and spend policies of caving into fatcat lobbyists, paying off political cronies, and not delivering on promises made.
 
Gibberish said:
As they should. The problem in the Democrats in the higher ranking positions are all crap and make the rest of the Democrats look bad.

We Democrats need to get rid of Pelosi, Reid, Kerry and their ilk.
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As an American who wants what's best for this nation I agree.

As a conservative - please, no - leave them in power so we can run against them!
 
steve_in_mich said:
As an American who wants what's best for this nation I agree.

As a conservative - please, no - leave them in power so we can run against them!
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The problem is that those kinds of politicians are sometimes popular (not right now) on the other side of the aisle.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
Obama won because people were sick of Bush and his policies. Bush was an inept president. He got us into a stupid war in Iraq that is unpopular. He was perceived as a tool of the oil companies. He was originally elected under shady circumstances.

Obama was perceived as hip, Black, different. He came across well. They could vote for a Black who was 'articulate' and tell their friends they voted for 'change' and were a part of 'history'.

He wasn't elected specifically on healthcare.

This vote is a resounding negative commentary on Obama and his harebrained tax and spend policies of caving into fatcat lobbyists, paying off political cronies, and not delivering on promises made.
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I agree with some of this, but not all - Bush was not inept but was successfully portrayed as such by a ridiculously, mindless liberal media (tune into the networks and MSNBC tonight).

2 basic problems for Obama - the far left actually thought he was lying about his centrist, pragmatic rhetoric during the campaign, the independents believed his centrist pragmatic rhetoric during the campaign. Neither camp paid attention to the folks who pointed out that he's never really done anything. The past year has proven, without a doubt, that he doesn't have a clue how to execute.

Unfortunately for the left, he doesn't appear to be as opportunistic as Clinton was after his disastrous first 2 years.
 
steve_in_mich said:
2 basic problems for Obama - the far left actually thought he was lying about his centrist, pragmatic rhetoric during the campaign, the independents believed his centrist pragmatic rhetoric during the campaign. Neither camp paid attention to the folks who pointed out that he's never really done anything. The past year has proven, without a doubt, that he doesn't have a clue how to execute.
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Perfectly well put.
 
steve_in_mich said:
As an American who wants what's best for this nation I agree.

As a conservative - please, no - leave them in power so we can run against them!
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It all goes around. The Republicans haven't won anything significant in in 6 years. Just like the Democrats didn't win anything the 6 years prior to that.

I just wish this country was more focused on issues in making this country better and more prosperous then which political party was in majority so they have the ability to squeeze partisan policies through.
 
Gibberish said:
I just wish this country was more focused on issues in making this country better and more prosperous then which political party was in majority so they have the ability to squeeze partisan policies through.
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I agree.

I am not certain that this victory is good for our country long term. While I am very much against many of the Dems proposed ideas such as the health care, cap & trade, amnisty, ect. I believe with a few victories the american population may lose focus on the overall health of our country. We will simply put politics aside and let things run thier course. Many of the recently proposed ideas has opened up alot of people to the workings of our country and have let themselves be heard. I am afraid that without some catistrophic bill on the horizen that we will simply let things continue its slow process of distruction. I mean after all we have been in a steady decline for 100+ years. Its going to take alot worse to get us to change that.

Gosh its 12:30 in the morn and Im sick. I hope that makes sense. Im a bit muddle minded here.
 
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