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GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

tlmorg02 said:
I agree that the money fluctuates, but it would be interesting to see who supported Brown wouldn't it.
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Of course it would, and we will. What does that have to do with your original claim?
 
tlmorg02 said:
And no one is urging socialism, just a fair market free from the scams insurance and pharma have on the country.
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Can you describe these "scams," how they affect you, and how you're forced to participate?
 
tlmorg02 said:
Then why are you asserting they are shedding jobs if you admit they are still quite profitable?
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You think logic is something cut down in Oregon, don't you?

A company can remain profitable BY shedding jobs.
 
tlmorg02 said:
And no one is urging socialism, just a fair market free from the scams insurance and pharma have on the country.
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If the Insurance Industry and Pharma are such the evil entities that you and other liberals are claiming, then why is Obama in bed with them over this bill?


j-mac
 
tlmorg02 said:
And no one is urging socialism, just a fair market free from the scams insurance and pharma have on the country.
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Sorry, socialism is the scam.

Government control or even interference in any industry eliminates any "fairness" and "freeness" in that marketplace.
 
If you don't want to start another Holocaust, you must be a pawn of the Jew lobby.

If you don't want to start WWIII, you must be a pawn of the peace lobby.

If you don't want a regressive tax, you must be a pawn of the poor lobby.

If you don't want the government to take over the health insurance industry, you must be a pawn of the health insurance lobby.

If you don't want to tax banks to death, you must be a pawn of the bank lobby.

If you don't want drugs to be illegal, you must be a pawn of the druggie lobby.



What the Hell is the substantative difference between any of the above arguments? They are all completely ridiculous.
 
tlmorg02 said:
What happened was globalization. That is it and all.
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Yea, and there's a reason we couldn't compete with globalization, and are still struggling to compete. It's called Democratic economics, to wit, onerous regulation and labor laws. They constantly drive up the cost of doing business in America which incentivizes companies to leave.

The selfish entitlement attitude that has festered amongst the American middle class is what's killing our economy. Sorry, but you don't deserve $30 an hour and health benefits and a retirement plan because you work on a god damn assembly line in a factory. To expect as much is absolutely absurd. That kind of attitude was fostered by leftist politics and it's slowly destroying our country.
 
Hurray no healthcare for millions of americans.
 
NoJingoLingo said:
Hurray no healthcare for millions of americans.
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Rather, verification that the vast majority of people....even in deep blue Massachusetts..don't believe false and misleading cries like this above. Health care is available today for every American, every Amercican doesn't carry health insurance. that insurance that was supposed to be what refoprm was all about until the Dems hijacked the endeavor and tried to reform the entire health system including introducing a public plan.

So, it's actually hurray.....nobody believes the Left's nonsense anymore, last night proves it.;)
 
NoJingoLingo said:
Hurray no healthcare for millions of americans.
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And there's the bumper sticker-esque discourse that this country really needs right now. Ranks right up there with "Bush Lied, People Died" and "Obamanation."

edit: Your signature says "When did the dumbest people get to make being smart (elite) something bad?"

Why don't you eschew the sound-byte tactics of "the dumbest people" and demonstrate more "elite" behavior by elaborating on your position?
 
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How about someone make a bumber sticker with:

Ofailure.
 
Charles Martel said:
Rather, verification that the vast majority of people....even in deep blue Massachusetts..don't believe false and misleading cries like this above. Health care is available today for every American, every Amercican doesn't carry health insurance. that insurance that was supposed to be what refoprm was all about until the Dems hijacked the endeavor and tried to reform the entire health system including introducing a public plan.
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Because every American cannot afford the jacked up prices that capitalist insurance companies charge for health care coverage. Unless your employee offers coverage you are looking at $400+ a month for basic health care coverage.

I don't agree with the government run health care plan but to say that health care is readily available and people simply choose not to get it is quite disingenuous.

Charles Martel said:
So, it's actually hurray.....nobody believes the Left's nonsense anymore, last night proves it.;)
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I don't think a single election in Mass equates to everyone is against the left. You forget that there is still a overall % approval for the program.
 
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NoJingoLingo said:
Hurray no healthcare for millions of americans.
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The dirty little secret here is that even IF the "reform" bill was passed....There would still be 20 million+ WITHOUT insurance.
 
Gibberish said:
Because every American cannot afford the jacked up prices that capitalist insurance companies charge for health care coverage. Unless your employee offers coverage you are looking at $400+ a month for basic health care coverage.
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I cannot afford the jacked up prices that capitalist real estate developers are charging to buy a 3BR condo on the Upper East Side. Unless the developer offers me a deal, I am looking at $9,000+ a month for a mortgage.

I don't agree with the government run health care plan but to say that health care is readily available and people simply choose not to get it is quite disingenuous.
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It is an indisputable fact that there are tens of millions of "uninsured" who have insurance available and simply choose not to get it.

I don't think a single election in Mass equates to everyone is against the left. You forget that there is still a overall % approval for the program.
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Well if you turn the poll upside down it shows massive support :lol:
 
j-mac said:
Who truly lives in actual poverty in this country compared to the rest of the world our poor are rich by other standards.


j-mac
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Millions of people. Are you saying that sleeping on the cold street in rags and eating out of a dumpster isn't really that bad? I suggest you try it for a week. Maybe you can walk down the street and tell the family living in the alley they should be happy that they don't live in Africa or China. I'm sure that will make them feel better.

Anyway, I am for supporting those people struggling to make a life but cannot afford the added cost of basic health care. It is in the countries long term benefit to make sure these workers are healthy, working, and increasing their economic status.

This country benefits from less poverty, not more.
 
RightinNYC said:
I cannot afford the jacked up prices that capitalist real estate developers are charging to buy a 3BR condo on the Upper East Side. Unless the developer offers me a deal, I am looking at $9,000+ a month for a mortgage.
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You can afford a 3BR Condo in Jersey though. :2wave:

Having basic health care is not the same as living a chosen lifestyle. What would be the same is if you couldn't afford a house at all. You can move into government sponsored housing until you could afford better.

RightinNYC said:
It is an indisputable fact that there are tens of millions of "uninsured" who have insurance available and simply choose not to get it.
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Then they choose not to get it. There are also millions of people want it and can't afford it. Help those that want help and let those that don't deal with the consequences.

RightinNYC said:
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50% is not equal to EVERYONE.
 
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