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US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

LiberalAvenger said:
Thank you. I don't have to say anything. Your own words reveal your your truenature.
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Wow, I'm overcome by your comeback. But the contradiction between your leaning and your name don't hide your true nature.
 
In the end, everybody will know what everybody gave and provided just like the Tsunami. I'd say we always give the most and everybody knows it.
 
I heard on the news that a UN worker was rescued this morning. We have a friend a block away who works for the UN in all these impoverished places doing studies. He was helping out alot in Haiti but had just come home before the quake. Anyway I left him a message.
 
MSgt said:
Revision? BS.

My post to you was in reaction to your partisan global Leftist garbage about the American Right and you complain about people turning things into politics?
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Yes and you continue in this post.

Haiti is on our side of the world. It is our "responsibility" to react and lead efforts. You are not needed.
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Okay I guess we should pull out all non American troops and the almost 1 billion dollars the EU and European countries have pledged to Haiti so far...

Bosnia and Kosovo was not just on yoour side of the world, but in your own region and it took America to lead both missions.
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I see.. America "lead" the missions because America has the military leadership in the organisation that was given the responsibility to deal with it. You arrogance is amazing. America did not even contribute a majority of the troops on the ground for god sake... far from it.

Clinton pulled NATO into Bosnia and kicked out the UN.
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Revisionist bullcrap. The UN gave NATO the mandate because NATO had the military structure to achieve what was needed as fast as possible. It was still a UN action you arrogant prick. The Russians were there and many other non NATO countries.

Over 70 percent of the sorties over Kosovo were American jets.
Why is that?
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And so freaking what lol. You have the largest air force in the alliance lol. 30% of the sorties was by who? French, British and other Nato members. Why do you continue to distort facts in an attempt to prove some sort of superiority over others?

Why is it that with all the black and white truth of this people like you choose to accuse others of revision as if the entire world is blind and there is some massive secret you can't let out?
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Black and white truth? you dont even know what truth means!

Now that superstar is in the White House the anti-American global Left have chosen to fine tune their hate towards the "Right" (even as your kind criticize Obama for lying to you as if he was supposed to be your President.) You accuse the Right of not caring about human suffering.
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No you twat. I accuse SOME on the right to not caring about human suffering outside the US. People like Rush Limburger and Pat the Moron Robertson. People who use this disaster to further a domestic political agenda need to be ridiculed for the pathetic excuse for a human being they are.

Yet seem to ignore the tsunami of Indonesia while Bush was in the White House.
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Hell no. I praised the response then and I still do. There were some issues but that does not take away the fact that the US stepped up regardless.

You also seem to ignore the fact that black Africans sufferred greatly while Clinton was in the White House (white Europeans got coddled though).
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Black Africans have suffered greatly for the last 2000 years, so freaking what.

Of course, the fact that thousands of troops and non-troops already in and heading to Haiti being full of people from the Right and Left seem to go dismissed as well to your kind.
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Again you take what I said and make **** up. I have praised everyone heading to Haiti to help, regardless of political colour. I have gone after Rush and his like because of their pathetic attitudes and yet you seem to defend them for some reason..

This new anti-America attitide yourself, Zeebra, and others are trying to portray as just being a "Right" thing will not work.
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What anti-American attitude.. Rush Limburger and Pat the idiot Robertson ARE NOT the whole of America! The right is NOT the whole of America. The left is NOT the whole of America. Being critical of one or a few people in the US is not being critical of every single American.. get that into your twisted xenophobic mind.

Start leading efforts or shut the **** up. That's my opinion.
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LOL you are a piece of work. Your lack of knowledge about world affairs is mind boggling. So Europe and the rest of the world does not lead in UN peacekeeping missions? Various international organisations? What has the US actually "lead" over the last few decades? The World Bank.. yea that was a great job there.. Not even the Tusanmi effort was US lead. .. so what has the US lead? Iraq.. your own petty little war?
 
PeteEU;1058492260I see.. America "lead" the missions because America has the military leadership in the organisation that was given the responsibility to deal with it. You arrogance is amazing. America did not even contribute a majority of the troops on the ground for god sake... far from it.[/quote said:
I'm not going to get into any squabble about how Europe et al should stay out of Haiti assistance. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to oppose that.

However, the United States took the lead in the Balkans because:

1) Europe is full of pants-wetting weenies that refused to do it.
2) Clinton needed an excuse to dominate the American headlines while the Cox Report was fresh.

It's damn obvious that no US interests were served by intervening in a European mess.
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RyrineaHaruno said:
I can and will be pissed at people for taking a political stance on something like this.
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Why should you be pissed? It's a political issue and this is a political forum. Discussing the situation in a political context is perfectly rational.

However, I can call out the hypocrisy on all sides on this. In other words, your being a bit of a partisan saying we're taking all the burden when everyone is help as best they can.
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My point was that "everyone" isn't helping as best they can, and "everyone" will just forget America's sacrifice by the end of the next news cycle. Most importantly, America has huge problems inside its own borders that need to be addressed.

We're severely overextended, both financially and militarily, and the US can't afford to substantially involve itself in every disaster or occurrence that happens to befall the world anymore. We're facing increased pressure from foreign markets, and we're committed to a long war against a decentralized enemy. Our plate is extremely full and we're just heaping more on with no regard to the future.
 
Coronado said:
The Republican Party was once a third party. So much for that idea ...
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No the Republican party was once called the Wiggins party, it wasn't a third party.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
America reminds me of the decline of the Roman Empire. Ie, Nero fiddling while Rome burned. We are in some deep poo but I am sure not too many football fans will miss the play off, while stuffing their fat asses with doritos this week.:shock:
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Royal Caribbean ships and others sailed into Labadee through the week, a % of the pax stayed on board and voiced their disgust, the others said things like, "we have been looking forward to this vacation, and nothing is going to spoil it" on a hill nearby American troops set up an aid station, they only had bottled water, one bottle per person, the queue of women and children streched 3mls down the mountain in the blazing sun.

The clean water beach showers worked okay in Labadee, its nice to shower off the salt water before you eat the buffet.
 
deltabtry said:
The refute my statement it with facts.
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This is so simple I'm just gonna go with Wikipedia:
The Whig Party was a political party of the United States during the era of Jacksonian democracy. Considered integral to the Second Party System and operating from 1833 to 1856,[1] the party was formed in opposition to the policies of President Andrew Jackson and the Democratic Party. In particular, the Whigs supported the supremacy of Congress over the executive branch and favored a program of modernization and economic protectionism. This name was chosen to echo the American Whigs of 1776, who fought for independence, and because "Whig" was then a widely recognized label of choice for people who saw themselves as opposing autocratic rule.[2] The Whig Party counted among its members such national political luminaries as Daniel Webster, William Henry Harrison, and their preeminent leader, Henry Clay of Kentucky. In addition to Harrison, the Whig Party also counted four war heroes among its ranks, including Generals Zachary Taylor and Winfield Scott. Abraham Lincoln was a Whig leader in frontier Illinois.

In its over two decades of existence, the Whig Party saw two of its candidates, Harrison and Taylor, elected president. Both, however, died in office. John Tyler became president after Harrison's death, but was expelled from the party. Millard Fillmore, who became president after Taylor's death, was the last Whig to hold the nation's highest office.

The party was ultimately destroyed by the question of whether to allow the expansion of slavery to the territories. With deep fissures in the party on this question, the anti-slavery faction successfully prevented the nomination of its own incumbent President Fillmore in the 1852 presidential election; instead, the party nominated General Winfield Scott, who was soundly defeated. Its leaders quit politics (as Lincoln did temporarily) or changed parties. The voter base defected to the Republican Party, various coalition parties in some states, and to the Democratic Party. By the 1856 presidential election, the party had lost its ability to maintain a national coalition of effective state parties and endorsed Millard Fillmore, now of the American Party, at its last national convention.[3]
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Any other pearls of wisdom you got for us?
 
B L Zeebub said:
Royal Caribbean ships and others sailed into Labadee through the week, a % of the pax stayed on board and voiced their disgust, the others said things like, "we have been looking forward to this vacation, and nothing is going to spoil it" on a hill nearby American troops set up an aid station, they only had bottled water, one bottle per person, the queue of women and children streched 3mls down the mountain in the blazing sun.

The clean water beach showers worked okay in Labadee, its nice to shower off the salt water before you eat the buffet.
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Sickening!

The most sickening thing I have seen on the medium of tv was the Gerardo at Large show the other night.

He was interviewing a colonel of our american forces at the airport in Haiti. The thing that made me sick was not his words but his actions. He was grinning like a moron at a goat sexing.

He was in the colonels's face holding a microphone like a phallic symbol and it looked like he was sexually aroused by the colonel. The camera was focused on their upper extremities and I can easily guess why. The colonel was clearly bothered by him and kept trying to move away. Fact is always stranger than fiction.

I think geraldo must be doing ann coulter or something weird. I dunno.

After it was over I had to watch an episode of southpark to cleanse my mind
 
B L Zeebub said:
Royal Caribbean ships and others sailed into Labadee through the week, a % of the pax stayed on board and voiced their disgust, the others said things like, "we have been looking forward to this vacation, and nothing is going to spoil it" on a hill nearby American troops set up an aid station, they only had bottled water, one bottle per person, the queue of women and children streched 3mls down the mountain in the blazing sun.

The clean water beach showers worked okay in Labadee, its nice to shower off the salt water before you eat the buffet.
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wait, what should they do?



half the fat idiots on a cruise ship would be more a problem than help in a disaster....



I'm not sure of the purpose here.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
wait, what should they do?



half the fat idiots on a cruise ship would be more a problem than help in a disaster....



I'm not sure of the purpose here.
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Simple close it to cruise ships and use the deep water mooring to bring in relief supplies, then distribute them from the secure compound, Labardee is enclosed by a 12ft high fence.
 
B L Zeebub said:
Simple close it to cruise ships and use the deep water mooring to bring in relief supplies, then distribute them from the secure compound, Labardee is enclosed by a 12ft high fence.
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Oh no, we can't do that. Then it would take on the appearance of a military compound, with fences and gates and gaurds and stuff. Can you imagine the slobbering and foaming at the mouth that that would cause?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
wait, what should they do?



half the fat idiots on a cruise ship would be more a problem than help in a disaster....



I'm not sure of the purpose here.
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They're supposed to throw themselves over the side and drown, to show their solidarity with the Haitian people during this crisis.
 
apdst said:
Oh no, we can't do that. Then it would take on the appearance of a military compound, with fences and gates and gaurds and stuff. Can you imagine the slobbering and foaming at the mouth that that would cause?
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This is a circumstance where martial law is absolutely necessary.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
This is a circumstance where martial law is absolutely necessary.
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I agree, but it ain't gonna happen what with all the folks in the current administration that are worried more about appearances than results.
 
apdst said:
I agree, but it ain't gonna happen what with all the folks in the current administration that are worried more about appearances than results.
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I don't know.:confused: You may be right.:shock:
 
apdst said:
I think it has but I could be mistaken about that. I recall seeing a report on how the cruise lines were going on, business as usual.
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I saw that they were going on as scheduled, but I chalked it up t "make-a-story" the press usually does...


Now if someone requested to use the port/ships and they said "no" then there would be something...
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I saw that they were going on as scheduled, but I chalked it up t "make-a-story" the press usually does...


Now if someone requested to use the port/ships and they said "no" then there would be something...
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I don't think it would be all that hard to make the cruise lines allow us to use their facilities, if it came down to it.
 
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