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Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

Hatuey said:
Sure. Just like I support your right to not get one. No. I meant exactly what is typed in that sentence.
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So you support butchering in the womb but you want murderers and rapists to not get the death penalty......Do you not see a contradiction there?
 
liblady said:
wow. just wow.

what tiller did was legal. you seem to forget that. roeder deserves life in prison.
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Because its so called legal does not make it right.......Tiller killed babies in the last 3 months of pregnancy.....Babies that could live outside the womb.........
 
Navy Pride said:
So you support butchering in the womb but you want murderers and rapists to not get the death penalty......Do you not see a contradiction there?
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Whereas you support the opposite case, treating a bunch of cells as sacrosanct but willing to kill them once they are grown.
 
misterman said:
Why aren't you out shooting abortion doctors right now? Babies are dying near you too and you sit there and do nothing.
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I have a lot to lose if I did something like that.Most people are not willing to sacrifice losing their loved ones, Freedom and other things. Another reason to admire those who do shoot baby killing scum.

Not me. Don't assume things
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For some reason I do not believe you nor do I believe anyone who sits there and says they would not applaud someone who took the life of a serial killer whose victims were people the left gives a **** about.
 
liblady said:
wow. just wow.

what tiller did was legal. you seem to forget that. roeder deserves life in prison.
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What if anti-war/anti-military protests,homosexuality and abortion were illegal and it was legal to kill people for doing those things? Would you be saying "
what ____ did was legal". you seem to forget that." or would you be hoping that someone would take out that serial killer and applaud who ever took out that serial killer?
 
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jamesrage said:
So General Nat Turner,Harriet Tubman, and other abolitionist and our founding forefathers were terrorist?
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Ridiculous comparison. You act as if the only thing tiller did was give abortions. He provided regular medical services to women. As for the abortions he performed, they were for women with little chance of having a healthy baby. Its ridiculous to assume that these were women who came to him as a form of birth control. Women who went to him for an abortion had to be referred and usually they were women of little hope. Women who very much wanted to have children but complications arose late in their pregnancies that cause the fetus not to be viable. Some of these women get diagnosed with cancer during their pregnancies. So at some point do we force these women to come to term and have the chance of both the woman and her fetus not surviving? I suggest you read the testimony of some Tiller's patients their stories are all heartbreaking.
 
jamesrage said:
So General Nat Turner,Harriet Tubman, and other abolitionist and our founding forefathers were terrorist?
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No. They were willing to accept the consequences of their actions.

I agree that just because something isn't legal doesn't mean it's not right. I agree completely with that. But that doesn't mean you can apply it to any situation you want any time you want. You have to actually argue that something is right.

Slavery was wrong, no question. Abortion? You need to engage in that debate instead of just assuming it's wrong.
 
misterman said:
No. They were willing to accept the consequences of their actions.

I agree that just because something isn't legal doesn't mean it's not right. I agree completely with that. But that doesn't mean you can apply it to any situation you want any time you want. You have to actually argue that something is right.

Slavery was wrong, no question. Abortion? You need to engage in that debate instead of just assuming it's wrong.
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Why do I need to engage in a debate about abortion. I know it is wrong.
 
PogueMoran said:
Ridiculous comparison. You act as if the only thing tiller did was give abortions.
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Tiller the baby serial killer's other acts does not negate the wrong he has done.

He provided regular medical services to women.
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Most abortionist pretend that abortion is a medical service.


As for the abortions he performed, they were for women with little chance of having a healthy baby.
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So you are a supporter of eugenics, I guess you share lot in common with Margaret Sanger the founder of planned parenthood.

Its ridiculous to assume that these were women who came to him as a form of birth control.
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Its ridiculous to believe the lies some of these women tell and the lies of baby killers.

Women who went to him for an abortion had to be referred and usually they were women of little hope.
Women who very much wanted to have children but complications arose late in their pregnancies that cause the fetus not to be viable. Some of these women get diagnosed with cancer during their pregnancies.
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Probably because of the fact that there are only 3 or 4 late term aboritonist in the whole country.So I imagine that those scum do not take walk ins and that you probably have to come up with a really good lie to get a late term abortion.

So at some point do we force these women to come to term and have the chance of both the woman and her fetus not surviving? I suggest you read the testimony of some Tiller's patients their stories are all heartbreaking.
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I am sure that if there was problems then they could have went to a real doctor instead of a baby serial killer. The only time I support abortion is if the mother's life is in danger and thats if it has been verified but multiple doctors (who are not pro-abortion) that giving a vaginal or cesarean birth at any point in the pregnancy would result in the loss of the mother's life.
 
jamesrage said:
Tiller the baby serial killer's other acts does not negate the wrong he has done.



Most abortionist pretend that abortion is a medical service.




So you are a supporter of eugenics, I guess you share lot in common with Margaret Sanger the founder of planned parenthood.



Its ridiculous to believe the lies some of these women tell and the lies of baby killers.



Probably because of the fact that there are only 3 or 4 late term aboritonist in the whole country.So I imagine that those scum do not take walk ins and that you probably have to come up with a really good lie to get a late term abortion.



I am sure that if there was problems then they could have went to a real doctor instead of a baby serial killer. The only time I support abortion is if the mother's life is in danger and thats if it has been verified but multiple doctors (who are not pro-abortion) that giving a vaginal or cesarean birth at any point in the pregnancy would result in the loss of the mother's life.
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your hatred is showing, as is your ignorance.
 
liblady said:
your hatred is showing, as is your ignorance.
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What if anti-war/anti-military protests,homosexuality and abortion were illegal and it was legal to kill people for doing those things? Would you be saying "
what ____ did was legal". you seem to forget that." or would you be hoping that someone would take out that serial killer and applaud who ever took out that serial killer?
 
The abortion doctor killing was nothing but an act of terrorism and those that support it are no better than Al-Qaeda.
 
jamesrage said:
What if anti-war/anti-military protests,homosexuality and abortion were illegal and it was legal to kill people for doing those things? Would you be saying "
what ____ did was legal". you seem to forget that." or would you be hoping that someone would take out that serial killer and applaud who ever took out that serial killer?
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let's talk about the facts, not what-ifs. abortion is legal.
 
liblady said:
let's talk about the facts, not what-ifs. abortion is legal.
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Is your refusal to answer mean that you would be a hypocrite?Of course it does not surprise me.
 
TheNextEra said:
The abortion doctor killing was nothing but an act of terrorism and those that support it are no better than Al-Qaeda.
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Sure lets label everything a terrorist act.Bank robber robs a bank= terrorist act, someone killed a in drive by= terrorist act,Store clerk shot in convenient store= terrorist act. Amazing how you libs will sit there and say no that is not a terrorist act when some Muslim does some **** but someone kills a scumbag and you call him a terrorist.
 
jamesrage said:
Is your refusal to answer mean that you would be a hypocrite?Of course it does not surprise me.
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why do you insist on using hypotheticals to debate an issue that really is black and white?

tiller did not break the law, roeder did.
 
liblady said:
why do you insist on using hypotheticals to debate an issue that really is black and white?
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Because if the shoe was on the other foot you abortionist and leftist would be cheering the death of a serial killer who was getting away with killing people that you give a damn about.


tiller did not break the law, roeder did.
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I'll ask my question again

What if anti-war/anti-military protests,homosexuality and abortion were illegal and it was legal to kill people for doing those things? Would you be saying "what ____ did was legal". you seem to forget that." or would you be hoping that someone would take out that serial killer and applaud who ever took out that serial killer?
 
jamesrage said:
Because if the shoe was on the other foot you abortionist and leftist would be cheering the death of a serial killer who was getting away with killing people that you give a damn about.




I'll ask my question again

What if anti-war/anti-military protests,homosexuality and abortion were illegal and it was legal to kill people for doing those things? Would you be saying "what ____ did was legal". you seem to forget that." or would you be hoping that someone would take out that serial killer and applaud who ever took out that serial killer?
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james, i hate to tell you this, but one thing that makes our country great is our freedom. if protests and homosexuality were illegal, and it was legal to kill protestors and gays, this wouldn't be america, although you might like it better.

if you could somehow conjure a reasonable argument, i'll debate. if not,.....
 
jamesrage said:
What if anti-war/anti-military protests,homosexuality and abortion were illegal and it was legal to kill people for doing those things? Would you be saying "
what ____ did was legal". you seem to forget that." or would you be hoping that someone would take out that serial killer and applaud who ever took out that serial killer?
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But it's not any of those things. As horrible as abortion is, it doesn't excuse this sort of vigilantism. People may applaud or think that there could be justification for the crime, but he still has to go to court and face his crimes. I did kill someone in cold blood. Whether or not he thought what they were doing was a crime is inconsequential since it's not a crime. So any amount of legality that comes in has to take that into account. 1st degree murder is what the man is obviously guilty of. You can be as jubilant over the death of the doctor as you want; but nothing stops the fact that the man did commit murder and in the eyes of the law he must stand according to the laws of the land.
 
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liblady said:
james, i hate to tell you this, but one thing that makes our country great is our freedom. if protests and homosexuality were illegal, and it was legal to kill protestors and gays, this wouldn't be america, although you might like it better.

if you could somehow conjure a reasonable argument, i'll debate. if not,.....
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Your refusal to answer a simple question only proves your hypocrisy. This is why I think most you abortionist nothing but hypocrites or some of the people who are anti-abortion that condemn Roeder as cowards. Had Tiller's victims been gays,anti-war/anti-military protesters and other people you leftist give a crap about you wouldn't be calling Scott Roeder a terrorist or a murderer or some nut job,most likely you would be applauding him for his deed and perhaps even calling him a hero. So please do not pretend that you are some how righteous or that you would never in a million years would be glad that someone took the law into their own hands.
 
jamesrage said:
Sure lets label everything a terrorist act.Bank robber robs a bank= terrorist act, someone killed a in drive by= terrorist act,Store clerk shot in convenient store= terrorist act. Amazing how you libs will sit there and say no that is not a terrorist act when some Muslim does some **** but someone kills a scumbag and you call him a terrorist.
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Massive strawman.
 
Ikari said:
But it's not any of those things. As horrible as abortion is, it doesn't excuse this sort of vigilantism. People may applaud or think that there could be justification for the crime, but he still has to go to court and face his crimes. I did kill someone in cold blood. Whether or not he thought what they were doing was a crime is inconsequential since it's not a crime. So any amount of legality that comes in has to take that into account. 1st degree murder is what the man is obviously guilty of. You can be as jubilant over the death of the doctor as you want; but nothing stops the fact that the man did commit murder and in the eyes of the law he must stand according to the laws of the land.
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Furthermore, even if you murder someone who is committing a crime, you still committed a homicide and it will be punished. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty under our system of law and so the execution of a citizen by a citizen without due process is still a crime. It's why you can do a citizen's arrest, so that the system can engage in due process.

But the killer in this case didn't want a citizen's arrest. He had a political agenda and a vendetta against the doctor.
 
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