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Reid apologizes for 'no Negro dialect' comment

Harshaw said:
"Nothing wrong" is not the same thing as "not racist." There could very well be things wrong with it -- it's tasteless, for one thing -- but it still wouldn't necessarily mean the song itself is racist.
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You have got to be kidding me!?!:shock:
 
Redress said:
We know why the conservatives are up in arms over this. It's a chance to bitch at a liberal.
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Right, because liberals would never do that.
 
Kali said:
You have got to be kidding me!?!:shock:
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No, Kali, in fact, I am not kidding you, nor anyone else. It's quite possible indeed for something to be tasteless without being racist.
 
Kali said:
Umm. Sure this wolrd would be a better place if Snoop were in office as it would show that we have really advanced in our country and that the majority wants someone that will keep it real.
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Yea cause when I'm thinking about what characteristics I want in a politician, the most important one is that he keep it real.

You've got to be ****ing kidding me.

Plus he would probably make da green and prostitution legal in all states.
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No, you're not kidding. Wow.

Not to mention you can bet he would up wages for blue collar workers. :cool:
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News flash: Snoop doesn't give a **** about you or other blue collar workers. He is a millionaire who has made his money off of convincing people like you that he's "keeping it real."

Snoop is very involved on a local level with his childrens schools and have even been a football coach. Do not underestimate this man..
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Oh well ****, if he coached Pee Wee football, we should just skip Congress and elect him President!

I find it pretty telling that you do not think some normal every day person should be POTUS.
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Setting aside the fact that Snoop is not a "normal every day person," you're right. I don't, because "normal, every day people" are ****ing stupid and should not be in charge of running anything, much less the country.

I want normal people working at normal jobs. I want exceptional people running my country.
 
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Redress said:
Irrelevant to this discussion. Pointing fingers at others is not an excuse.
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You can do better than this, Redress. I've seen it.
 
The party of the Klu Klux Klan has a member spewing racial remarks? What a shocker! :shock::shock::shock:

:roll:
 
Obama has the chance to show some consistency.

Obama in '02: 'The Republican Party itself has to drive out Trent Lott' | The Weekly Standard

Obi: Illinois Senator Barack Obama (D-13th), who hosted WVON's Cliff Kelley Show, challenged the Republican Party to repudiate Lott's remarks and to call for his resignation as senate leader.

"The Republican Party itself has to drive out Trent Lott. If they have to stand for something, they have to stand up and say this is not the person we want representing our party."
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Oh SNAP!
He forgave Reid. How nice. Such consistency.... but...

Th-th-th-th-that's P-p-p-p-p-olitics F-folks!... as usual

Hope... ROTFLMAO.
Change? Hahahahahaha...

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zimmer said:
Obama has the chance to show some consistency.

Obama in '02: 'The Republican Party itself has to drive out Trent Lott' | The Weekly Standard

Oh SNAP!
He forgave Reid. How nice. Such consistency.... but...

Th-th-th-th-that's P-p-p-p-p-olitics F-folks!... as usual

Hope... ROTFLMAO.
Change? Hahahahahaha...

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You do know Trent Lott supported Strom Thurmond right? Comparing Obama saying that it should kick out racism supporters is kind of far from Harry Reid saying Obama doesn't speak ebonics.
 
E_Pluribus_Venom said:
Sure there is. "Wsup whoadie? Yo, where you cop that bling from? You mad icy right now... stunt on these niggaz, son! Ayo word life... keep it 100... son you seen my shorty creepin 'bout an hour ago? My baby moms be on some otha ****".

I'm fluent.
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That is not a "Negro dialect." That is a bull**** bigoted stereotype of an American black. :roll:
 
zimmer said:
Hey Cap'n... you don't see too many Dixiecrats that went to the R-side.
Look how many Lefty's became senators.

I, I, I, I, done say you bettah take a bettah look at yo fakks young maihn.

Try, try ag'in.



and Jesse Helms.... in the switcheroo to an R

Benjamin Travis Laney- D- 33rd Governor of Arkansas from 1945-1949.

Fielding Lewis Wright D Lieutenant Governor of Mississippi from 1944 to 1946

Frank Murray Dixon D 40th Governor of Alabama from 1939 to 1943

William Henry Davis D He was the first Speaker of the Oklahoma House of Representatives, U.S. Representative, and Governor.

Mills Edwin Godwin, Jr. D Governor of Virginia for two non-consecutive terms, from 1966 to 1970 and from 1974 until 1978.

Let's not forget Bill Clinton's Segregationist mentor: Sen J. William Fulbright.

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You're still doing it Zim. Confusing political party with political ideology. None of the folks that you mention held liberal positions on things like race. Tell us, do you think the Democrats who voted against civil rights would have voted FOR affirmative action? Never. And yet, affirmative action is a liberal policy.

SOME conservatives supported civil rights, but this was primarily a liberal issue.
 
Hatuey said:
Didn't the entire GOP come out to defend it's party over putting Barrack The Magic Negro on CD? I guess that was alright.
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This is not about the word "Negro" which is the scientific term for the "negroid" race. "Barrack The Magic Negro" is about as offensive as "Bush The Magic Caucasian" or "Kim Jong Ill The Magic Asain" etc.

Their is no such thing as a racial dialect. All whites, blacks etc do no not speak a language purely or scientifically based on race. What this is about is an elected official saying the president doesent speak Ebonics when he is with his black friends, or something to that effect.

Not inherently racist, but definitely bigoted and disrespectful.
 
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Blackdog said:
This is not about the word "Negro" which is the scientific term for the "negroid" race. "Barrack The Magic Negro" is about as offensive as "Bush The Magic Caucasian" or "Kim Jong Ill The Magic Asain" etc.

Their is no such thing as a racial dialect. All whites, blacks etc do no not speak a language purely or scientifically based on race. What this is about is an elected official saying the president speaks Ebonics when he is with his black friends.

Not inherently racist, but definitely bigoted and disrespectful.
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He said Barack Obama doesn't speak negro dialect(ebonics) unless he wants to. What is disrespectful about that? I've heard Obama speak ebonics in front of certain groups. He doesn't speak like that in front of everyone. I really don't get what the deal is with all this.
 
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Hatuey said:
He said Barack Obama doesn't speak negro dialect(ebonics) unless he wants to. What is disrespectful about that? I've heard Obama speak ebonics in front of certain groups. He doesn't speak like that in front of everyone. I really don't get what the deal is with all this.
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Because Ebonics is NOT a Negro dialect. Unless he is extremely ignorant or just to stupid for words, it was a racial slur and all blacks should be upset that in this day and age. People think Ebonics is some kind of dialect representing the black man.

It is a lower form of English, bastardized in pop culture and black society by the uneducated.
 
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Blackdog said:
Because Ebonics is NOT a Negro dialect. Unless he is extremely ignorant or just to stupid for words, it was a racial slur and all blacks should be upset that in this day and age. People think Ebonics is some kind of dialect representing the black man.

It is a lower form of English, bastardized in pop culture and black society by the uneducated.
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[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebonics]Ebonics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Ebonics is a term that was originally intended and sometimes used for the language of all people of African ancestry, or for that of Black North American people; since 1996 it has been largely used to refer to African American Vernacular English (distinctively nonstandard Black United States English), asserting the independence of this from (standard) English. The term became widely known in the U.S. in 1996 due to a controversy over its use by the Oakland School Board.
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[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialect]Dialect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

The term dialect (from the Greek word διάλεκτος, dialektos) is used in two distinct ways, even by scholars of language. One usage refers to a variety of a language that is characteristic of a particular group of the language's speakers.[1] The term is applied most often to regional speech patterns, but a dialect may also be defined by other factors, such as social class.[2] A dialect that is associated with a particular social class can be termed a sociolect; a regional dialect may be termed a regiolect or topolect. The other usage refers to a language socially subordinate to a regional or national standard language, often historically cognate to the standard, but not a variety of it or in any other sense derived from it. This more precise usage enables distinguishing between varieties of a language, such as the French spoken in Nice, France, and local languages distinct from the superordinate language, e.g. Nissart, the traditional native Romance language of Nice, known in French as Niçard.
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I think it is very much a dialect. I don't see white people speaking ebonics. I don't see chinese kids speaking ebonics. I don't see Mexicans speaking ebonics. It is used by blacks in this country. A particular group of the US English speakers. But if you don't want to look at the details. I mean you can say it's not a proper way to speak French. But neither is Cajun French. They speak French. But it is not proper and you'd fail a french test if you tried to get by with it. I seriously do not see why people are so angry over this. Obama speaks Ebonics when he wants to? So the **** what?
 
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Hatuey said:
Ebonics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Dialect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



I think it is very much a dialect. I don't see white people speaking ebonics. I don't see chinese kids speaking ebonics. I don't see Mexicans speaking ebonics. It is used by blacks in this country. A particular group of the US English speakers. But if you don't want to look at the details. I mean you can say it's not a proper way to speak French. But neither is Cajun French. They speak French. But it is not proper and you'd fail a french test if you tried to get by with it. I seriously do not see why people are so angry over this. Obama speaks Ebonics when he wants to? So the **** what?
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I give up. :doh

If you want blacks to continue to look uneducated and stupid, be my guest.

PS yes I do see whites, Mexican etc speaking that crap. They look just as stupid. You even made reference to it with your "wigger" coment. So this "I don't see white people speaking ebonics." is not true I take it?
 
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Blackdog said:
I give up. :doh

If you want blacks to continue to look uneducated and stupid, be my guest.

PS yes I do see whites, Mexican etc speaking that crap. They look just as stupid. You even made reference to it with your "wigger" coment. So this "I don't see white people speaking ebonics." is not true I take it?
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Wiggers are white kids wanting to be black - read the conversation in proper context Blackdog. If you think it's stupid, that is fine. If you don't want to speak it. That is fine. However I'm not going to start going around saying it's not a form of speaking that is not only characteristic of a lot of blacks in this country but can completely be seen as invention of blacks.

I even stated it in my first post :

Do you know anybody outside of wiggers who do?
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I stated that outside of black people the only ones who speak ebonics in my experience are wiggers. People trying to be black and act black.
 
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Ethereal said:
He didn't have to say "negro dialect". That's just plain ignorant.

He could have simply said Obama is articulate, or he could've abstained from the presumption that black people all talk with a "negro dialect" and that Obama was an exotic exception to that stereotype.

No matter how you slice it, it's a profoundly idiotic statement.
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yes, it is.
 
This is how we know it's all fake. All pretend. It can be extended to a host of issues, these incidents can be used to highlight how disingenuously the race card is played in this nation.

Reid will survive this, he's a Dem leader. And Dem leaders survive these kinds of verbal misques, we all know that. But the next time a Don Imus event occurs. The next time they need to demonize a Bill Clinton. The next time they need an excuse for the opposition to Barack Obama. The next time they need it to exploit or use it for an arugment for health care. The next time any prominent Republican says a questionable word....and the race card will be played and the words of forgiveness are absent from these same Dems and their supporters who defend this most forgetful of Reid words.

Perhaps this will be an opportunity for us all to sit back and realize we're all a tad too quick to label someone a racist, to play the heinous race card. Especially liberals and the Democrat Party.:mrgreen:
 
Ethereal said:
And left wing partisan drones will try to dismiss it as quickly as possible.

Irony much?
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None at all, just normal partisan politics: Divide into two camps, call them left and right, then shoot darts back and forth. It's all quite entertaining, but doesn't accomplish much.
 
Can someone give me the date, time and place in history when it became a crime against the state to use the word "negro"? Irregardless, I don't recall any "dark skinned" "Afro Americans" in any of Americas' glamour magazines. Can someone name me ONE television show or commercial where the character is a very dark negro/black/African American/whatever??? Anyone? Someone? Anyone have a local news station with very dake skinned personnel? Do they sound "morelike" white people or ghetto blacks when they speak?
 
Loved this quote:

“There are some Republicans who are trying to use this for political advantage,” said a source close to the Reid camp. “If Senators [Jon] Kyl, [John] Cornyn and others want to have an open and honest debate about race — and if they want to discuss their records on issues of importance to the African-American community — we welcome that dialogue. But we are not going to stand idly by while hypocritical Republicans take swipes at Senator Reid, distorting his record of achievement and their own record of failure.”

Dems launch defense to save Reid - Yahoo! News
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I agree that the words sound awful, although I agree with Hatuey--it's true!
 
Hatuey said:
He said Barack Obama doesn't speak negro dialect(ebonics) unless he wants to. What is disrespectful about that?
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I still think Hillary was a better candidate. She was even more lightskinned than Obama, and I can only remember her speaking Negro Dialect once. So if we use Harry's criteria as for what makes a great president (look and talk white as much as possible) - Hillary was the obvious, better choice.
 
aps said:
Loved this quote:



I agree that the words sound awful, although I agree with Hatuey--it's true!
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Right out of the playbook:

Democrats are preparing to throw the race card back in the laps of Republicans as part of a counterattack designed to help save Harry Reid’s political career.

First, Reid’s allies plan to distribute the NAACP vote ratings of Republican senators who have scolded him. The data will be made available to editorial boards, cable programs and the blogosphere — including votes on minimum wage, community-oriented policing, education funding and HIV/AIDS programs.

Separately, the Congressional Black Caucus plans to issue a new statement Monday, defending Reid and brushing back Republicans.

“Senator Reid’s record provides a stark contrast to actions of Republicans to block legislation that would benefit poor and minority communities — most recently reflected in Republican opposition to the health bill now under consideration,” CBC Chairwoman Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) said. “I look forward to Senator Reid continuing to serve as Majority Leader to guide this important agenda through the Senate.”

These moves to turn the race issue back onto Republicans is risky, yet it shows how Reid and his allies are ready to pull out all the stops to help the majority leader recover from his disastrous comments about Barack Obama being “light-skinned” and having no “Negro dialect.”
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Democrats launch counterattack to save Harry Reid's career - Mike Allen and Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com

All that aside, the voting records of the Republicans who criticized him are simply a distraction from the point. The issue is not whether Republicans vote in a way that the NAACP likes, it's whether Harry Reid said some racist ****.

I don't know that he should resign over this, but that's primarily because I don't think people should resign for much of anything. What I do know is that if that exact quote had been uttered by Mitch McConnell or Jon Kyl, 80% of the Democrats defending Reid would have been:

1) Calling him a racist,
2) Calling for him to resign, and
3) Using this to paint the entire Republican party as racist
 
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