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New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

Erod said:
"Civil Union" won't do because that doesn't throw their sexuality in your face enough.

Just like you can't throw a gay parade without the proverbial guy in the leather bondage suit with a dog collar and leash on his hands and knees going buy.

You have to acknowledge their gaydom, keep your mouth shut, and deal with it, or they aren't happy.
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I would like to be excluded from "they" please. Your overgeneralization of an entire group of people doesn't do you any favors. Yes there are some gay people as you describe, but not most. Just as there are some Christians who stand on the side of the road holding up signs saying, "God hates Amercia" and "God hates Fags". But I'm intelligent enough not to assume some fringe individuals of a larger group represent the views of every member of that group.
 
CriticalThought said:
I would like to be excluded from "they" please. Your overgeneralization of an entire group of people doesn't do you any favors. Yes there are some gay people as you describe, but not most. Just as there are some Christians who stand on the side of the road holding up signs saying, "God hates Amercia" and "God hates Fags". But I'm intelligent enough not to assume some fringe individuals of a larger group don't represent the views of every member of that group.
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I respect and applaud your efforts but I must let you know that your attempt to remain rational and level-headed will not be met halfway by that one.
 
Winnb said:
I know. That's my point. It's HIS problem. He needs to own it. Blaming gays isn't going to solve it.
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He does have a point about the Pride Parades though... they can be rather... obscene to say the least.
 
Just like you can't throw a gay parade without the proverbial guy in the leather bondage suit with a dog collar and leash on his hands and knees going buy.
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What were you doing at a gay pride parade? I mean besides wearing your leash of course...
 
MrVicchio said:
He does have a point about the Pride Parades though... they can be rather... obscene to say the least.
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I will agree wholeheartedly with this.

Pride parade is kind of synonymous with Fetish Street Faire.
 
jallman said:
I will agree wholeheartedly with this.

Pride parade is kind of synonymous with Fetish Street Faire.
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I was gonna post a few pics from that to make the point, but none of them were... appropriate.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Truthfully, to me this is irrelevant. NJ already has civil unions which affords gay couples rights for adoptions, benefits, and other things that married couples have. Though my overall position is that the term "marriage" should be used only for religious purposes and all governmental unions should be "civil unions"... gay or straight, the way that NJ handles it currently, is fine by me. I'm not sure why this is a big deal.
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I just re-read through this, and your statement struck me as... well rather obscene. Why call all marriages "Civil unions"? Just because you don't like the term Marriage?

Way to force your view of morality on all.
 
MrVicchio said:
I just re-read through this, and your statement struck me as... well rather obscene. Why call all marriages "Civil unions"? Just because you don't like the term Marriage?

Way to force your view of morality on all.
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How about you call your relationship whatever you want, I call mine whatever I want, and the government calls them both the exact same thing?
 
jallman said:
How about you call your relationship whatever you want, I call mine whatever I want, and the government calls them both the exact same thing?
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Marriage is a union of a man and a woman, that's why.
 
jallman said:
Webster's disagrees with you so, no, you make no valid point here.
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The people don't, and the failure of the Gay Agenda to get "Gay Marriage" to fly anywhere says I'm NOT wrong.

You can keep beating your head against the wall if you want too, but the people, just don't support this drive to alter what Marriage is defined as.
 
MrVicchio said:
He does have a point about the Pride Parades though... they can be rather... obscene to say the least.
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Yes they can. But that's not the point the poster was making. He was taking the extreme fringe of a certain group and then labeling the rest of the group the same way.

For example:

Some gay men at gay pride parades wear leather and a collar. Therefore all gays are kinky perverts that love S/M activities.

Some Catholic Priests are pedophiles. Therefore I can safely assume all Catholic Priests love to molest young boys.

The KKK consisted almost entirely of white people. Therefore I can safely assume all white people are racists that enjoy lynching black people.

19 Muslims flew 2 airplanes into buildings to attack America. Therefore we can all safely assume all Muslims are terrorists that want to kill us.

See? It's fun. And you can do it with any group!
 
MrVicchio said:
The people don't, and the failure of the Gay Agenda to get "Gay Marriage" to fly anywhere says I'm NOT wrong.
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Several countries have gay marriage, and it is recognized in 9 states.

What is with Conservatives and overgneralization? (jk)

You can keep beating your head against the wall if you want too, but the people, just don't support this drive to alter what Marriage is defined as.
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You are correct. Most people don't support same sex marriage. However, 58% support civil unions. If we are going by what the people support, does that mean you support civil unions?
 
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CriticalThought said:
Several countries have gay marriage, and it is recognized in 9 states.

What is with Conservatives and overgneralization? (jk)



You are correct. Most people don't support same sex marriage. However, 58% support civil unions. If we are going by what the people support, does that mean you support civil unions?
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What 9 states is that.....when you post crap like that you better back it up with a link......
 
Navy Pride said:
What 9 states is that.....when you post crap like that you better back it up with a link......
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Five states have instituted same sex marriage...

...New Hampshire, Vermont, Connecticut, Iowa, and Massachusetts.

Four more states have not instituted same sex marriage, but recognize same sex marriages performed in other states...

...New York and California don't grant same sex marriage certificates, but they recognize those performed in other states...

...New Jersey and Washington recognize same sex marriages performed in other states as civil unions with all the equal rights of marriage...which really under DOMA isn't much different than recognizing them as full marriage.

So that comes to 9 states that recognize same sex marriage.

State By State: The Legal Battle Over Gay Marriage : NPR
 
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CriticalThought said:
Five states have instituted same sex marriage...

...New Hampshire, Vermont, Connecticut, Iowa, and Massachusetts.

Four more states have not instituted same sex marriage, but recognize same sex marriages performed in other states...

...New York and California don't grant same sex marriage certificates, but they recognize those performed in other states...

...New Jersey and Washington recognize same sex marriages performed in other states as civil unions with all the equal rights of marriage...which really under DOMA isn't much different than recognizing them as full marriage.

So that comes to 9 states that recognize same sex marriage.



State By State: The Legal Battle Over Gay Marriage : NPR
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You better check that map out again so or take a course in math......The green states are the only ones that recognize gay marriage..........Did you happen to notice the ones with DOMAS? are you actually bringing up NJ an California........This thread is about NJ rejecting gay marriage...
 
Navy Pride said:
You better check that map out again so or take a course in math......The green states are the only ones that recognize gay marriage..........Did you happen to notice the ones with DOMAS? are you actually bringing up NJ an California........This thread is about NJ rejecting gay marriage...
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I really don't know how to respond to this. It's so clear I am not sure how you missed it.

I was going to respond but realized I would simply be repeating the original post. Seriously, the map is as clear as day. Green states allow gay marriage, yellow states have a civil union that is the same thing as marriage except in name. You add them up, that's nine.

Unless you're trying so hard to keep the numbers down that you refuse to acknowledge a civil union as a "recognition".
 
Navy Pride said:
You better check that map out again so or take a course in math......The green states are the only ones that recognize gay marriage..........Did you happen to notice the ones with DOMAS? are you actually bringing up NJ an California........This thread is about NJ rejecting gay marriage...
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:rofl

Navy, just because California doesn't give out same sex marriage certificates does not mean it doesn't recognize same sex marriages performed in other states.

In other words, if I get married to a man in Vermont and I move to California, then my same sex marriage will be recognized by the state of California even though California has a Constitutional Ban against same sex marriage.

SheWired.com - Schwarzenegger Signs Gay Rights Bills

The same holds true in New York, New Jersey, and Washington. Even though none of those states have same sex marriage, they will recognize same sex marriages performed in other states.
 
Groucho said:
I really don't know how to respond to this. It's so clear I am not sure how you missed it.

I was going to respond but realized I would simply be repeating the original post. Seriously, the map is as clear as day. Green states allow gay marriage, yellow states have a civil union that is the same thing as marriage except in name. You add them up, that's nine.

Unless you're trying so hard to keep the numbers down that you refuse to acknowledge a civil union as a "recognition".
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His claim was 9 states allowed gay marriage..........that is false......we are not talking about civil unions here....that is a whole anothr thread.............
 
CriticalThought said:
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Navy, just because California doesn't give out same sex marriage certificates does not mean it doesn't recognize same sex marriages performed in other states.

In other words, if I get married to a man in Vermont and I move to California, then my same sex marriage will be recognized by the state of California even though California has a Constitutional Ban against same sex marriage.

SheWired.com - Schwarzenegger Signs Gay Rights Bills

The same holds true in New York, New Jersey, and Washington. Even though none of those states have same sex marriage, they will recognize same sex marriages performed in other states.
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And that was before the people of California rejected gay marriage and now it is in a court case in SF that will probably go to the SCOTUS.......When the people vote my friend your side loses 31-0 and growing..........sorry
 
Navy Pride said:
His claim was 9 states allowed gay marriage..........that is false......we are not talking about civil unions here....that is a whole anothr thread.............
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Noooooooooo. Recognized. Be a good Navy, stop embarrassing yourself, and go back and read what I typed.
 
Navy Pride said:
And that was before the people of California rejected gay marriage and now it is in a court case in SF that will probably go to the SCOTUS.......When the people vote my friend your side loses 31-0 and growing..........sorry
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No, that bill was signed long after the referendum. Look, the article says it right there. All you have to do is read it.

Man! How many times can you wrong before you get it?
 
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