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New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

And we all know the younger generation never takes on the values of the older generation... if it were as easy as you say, we'd have Gay marriage 100 years ago. Somehow, that didn't happen. And I'm not so sure younger people are in favor of gay marriage. In what state? In what region? What does "younger" mean exactly?

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Slowly but surely, without fail, our country moves towards that which is fair and decent. We fall back a little every now and then, but over time we end up granting rights to everyone on an equal basis.

Look at the progress we have made with women's rights and minority rights over the past several decades. 50 years ago a white person and a black person in my state couldn't marry. Less than a century ago women couldn't vote. 2 centuries ago black people were slaves and were considered Three-Fifths of a human being.

We move forward. We're slow, but we get there.

Gay marriage will be no different. Just like racism must be taught in order to be learned, so must intolerance and homophobia. As younger generations take over our country they'll care less and less about whether or not gays and lesbians marry. It will eventually become a non-issue.
 
And we all know the younger generation never takes on the values of the older generation... if it were as easy as you say, we'd have Gay marriage 100 years ago. Somehow, that didn't happen. And I'm not so sure younger people are in favor of gay marriage. In what state? In what region? What does "younger" mean exactly?

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This just defies logic. Do you really believe that the majority of people in their 70's favored gay marriage when they were in their 20's-40's and changed their views as they aged?
I doubt it seriously.
 
But go forward one generation Navy and you will see that they are not quite as stubborn as your old folkie lodge brothers. People in their 50's and 60's are more tolerant than those in their 70's...

Also, I would suspect that some of your intolerant lodge buddies are probably more tolerant than they are willing to admit among their macho lodge brothers.
People in their 70's and 80's haven't been exposed to gay people as much as younger people....that is why education is key to changing attitudes.



You just don't know and you ignore all the facts....Like I said you are right about very young people but unfortunately for you they grow up and realize the error of their ways....There are few exceptions like you and other liberals but you are vastly outnumbered...

Its just like that election in Mass. where Dems outnumbered Republicans 3 to 1 and yet they got routed in thate election by independents and Republicans..

You are in big trouble my left wing friend.......Its a shame that you can't see it..........
 
This just defies logic. Do you really believe that the majority of people in their 70's favored gay marriage when they were in their 20's-40's and changed their views as they aged?
I doubt it seriously.

Of vourse they did not go out and promote it but they did not fight it either........They blieved in live and let live...........Then they grew wiser and learned the ramifications of gay marriage.....
 
You just don't know and you ignore all the facts....Like I said you are right about very young people but unfortunately for you they grow up and realize the error of their ways....There are few exceptions like you and other liberals but you are vastly outnumbered...

Its just like that election in Mass. where Dems outnumbered Republicans 3 to 1 and yet they got routed in thate election by independents and Republicans..

You are in big trouble my left wing friend.......Its a shame that you can't see it..........


Navy...Navy....Navy....

If you could show that your old generation favored gay marriage when they were younger, but rejected it as they aged...then your argument might hold water.

The reality...it doesnt. The numbers don't support your position.

Your generation has always been against gay rights...just as the younger generations will likely not changed their views with age either.
 
Of vourse they did not go out and promote it but they did not fight it either........They blieved in live and let live...........Then they grew wiser and learned the ramifications of gay marriage.....

Absolutely they did. The attitudes of your generation towards gays has always been towards fighting any attempts at gays to enjoy the same rights that you do. Don't even try and pretend that your generation has a history of anything else.
The history of your generation has been towards fighting equal civil rights for anyone.
The younger generations have not grown up in a culture of intolerance like yours did.
 
As stated above, the entire history of the US has been to expand civil rights over time, not remove them.

I know some of you don't like the fact that people you don't like will end up being treated as equal to you, but (shrug) that's the way it always is, and people who want to deny rights to others always lose. Always.

It's going to happen. Might as well get used to it. Maybe you'll even realize the error of your ways along the way, and become a nicer person for it.
 
Wait a minute, I am a veteran, and I think gay marriage should be encouraged. I am far from the only one who thinks that.

When I spoke of veterans I meant older retired veterans.........
 
Of vourse they did not go out and promote it but they did not fight it either........They blieved in live and let live...........Then they grew wiser and learned the ramifications of gay marriage.....

And what might those be?

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And what might those be
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The complete and utter destruction of Western Civilization.....don't you know that by now...:doh

In all seriousness though...the ramifications are that people will be able to decide who they want to marry, not who the government says they can marry. It decreases the role of government in the day to day lives of its citizens and many big-government social types don't like the idea of that type of freedom.
 
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The complete and utter destruction of Western Civilization.....don't you know that by now...:doh

I thought it meant that every dog might have to fear being married off to a donkey so that brothers and sisters might be able to express their Big Love for each other...

Wait...is that how it goes? I get so confused with all the red herrings and irrelevancies they keep throwing up...
 
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I thought it meant that every dog might have to fear being married off to a donkey so that brothers and sisters might be able to express their Big Love of for each other...

Wait...is that how it goes? I get so confused with all the red herrings and irrelevancies they keep throwing up...

If I could....I'd thank you twice for this. It made me laugh!
 
If your marriage is threatened by the definition of a word, then it isn't a very strong marriage to begin with.
 
As stated above, the entire history of the US has been to expand civil rights over time, not remove them.

I know some of you don't like the fact that people you don't like will end up being treated as equal to you, but (shrug) that's the way it always is, and people who want to deny rights to others always lose. Always.

It's going to happen. Might as well get used to it. Maybe you'll even realize the error of your ways along the way, and become a nicer person for it.

Hey Groucho. Good to see you. :2wave:
 
This just defies logic. Do you really believe that the majority of people in their 70's favored gay marriage when they were in their 20's-40's and changed their views as they aged?
I doubt it seriously.

No, I don't believe that because that's not what I said.
 
If your marriage is threatened by the definition of a word, then it isn't a very strong marriage to begin with.

That's my whole thing at this point. It has to be so demeaning for a man to tell his wife that he feels like their marriage is somehow diminished because he can't quit thinking about Adam and Steve's sweaty man-sex going on down the street and that if they have a certificate from the government, somehow that makes his marriage meaningless.

That's just what every woman wants to hear from her husband. :roll:
 
1) That is moving the goal post.
2) Is the common thread older people, or veterans?

The only people that rae in my lodges are military retirees, sorry if you misunderstood that......
 
If your marriage is threatened by the definition of a word, then it isn't a very strong marriage to begin with.

Marriage won't ever be threatened as long as We the People continue to define it.
 
Hey Groucho. Good to see you. :2wave:

I tend not to have as much time to browse these threads as I used to, and when I come back to them, there's about 20 new pages I don't read through!

Nice to see you too...
 
No Charles...you have demonstrated a total lack of ability to stay on point. You have demonstrated a total lack of ability to comprehend an argument. You have demonstrated a talent for claiming your opinion to be fact and then completely failing to offer any form of relevant evidence for why we should take your opinion as fact.

But, not a single question of mine has been answered. Still not a single point I've made taken to task. That's telling. When the argument gets personal, your opponent has already won, jallman, we move on.

it's called mirth.

The Vikings could have won that game! What in the world is Favre doing throwing across his body and behind him, but then, he's just trying to make a play. Give New Orleans credit too, they went right after him. He looked like a stone being skipped across a lake on a few plays, Favre is a warrior....oh..what..you don't care about any of this? Cause I don't care about mirth either we'll move on.;)

There is nothing to be emotional over because you have presented nothing that diminishes my arguments. And even if you had, you can ask anyone here...I would be inclined to look at your evidence and re-evaluate my stance.

You still haven't answered any of my questions.

1) Is same sex marriage 0-31 in referendum?
2) Do you use the government to deny polygamy in your state?
3) What other contracts do you deny in your state?

But so far, your drivel has done nothing more than prove that you would argue with the very rain about where it comes from and get your ass on your shoulders when the sound of its patter on the rooftop didn't affirm your argument.

That is the last bong hit for you.
 
Thats what those opposing inter-racial marriage thought at the time as well.

Same old tired stale one liners from DD....Even though you are their starchest advocate I think they must be getting tired of them to..
 
Why are gay couples begging the government for the right to use the word marriage again? Why don't they just use it? Who's going to stop them?
 
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Good for you and who said they were....:confused:There are many good gay people that served in the military honorably....I still want to know what the **** your point is?

I doubt you will ever get the point. The gays are honorable men and women. They fought for our rights and if I were ever a soldier I would be fighting for their rights. Just like they did for mine.
 
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