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New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

I agree, they don't see race, creed as a bad thing. They're taught to them by their parents.

Which explains the exponential growth in acceptance of gay marriage over the last decade.

The wheels are in motion...its only a matter of time. But those who favor discrimination will continue to hold on til the bitter end.
 
Which explains the exponential growth in acceptance of gay marriage over the last decade.

The wheels are in motion...its only a matter of time. But those who favor discrimination will continue to hold on til the bitter end.

Yeap, I agree the wheels are in motion. We need to bust out those heavy guns. :)
 
The less educated more idealistic more apt to believe propaganda, I can see where that would see a higher % of support. But...young adults do age...do grow up....do change their mind on oh so many issues.

Less educated oh man you are riot. The more education one has the more likely they are to accept gays as equals.
 
Same sex marriage isn't 0-31 in referendum? The vast majority of Americans don't oppose same sex marriage? You yourself don't use the state to deny others their definitions of marriage? You can't marry your first cousin or brother in your state?

All of these things I've been claiming.......you're saying aren't true?

J.....we both know they are true. We both know I'm correct here...and we both know that you yourself....deny others in the exact same manner as I do....and you continue to whine. I'm not the one with the credibility issue here, you're getting emotional. Let's stick to the facts.....and the reality you cannot argue with.

No Charles...you have demonstrated a total lack of ability to stay on point. You have demonstrated a total lack of ability to comprehend an argument. You have demonstrated a talent for claiming your opinion to be fact and then completely failing to offer any form of relevant evidence for why we should take your opinion as fact. Then you claim you won the internets.

And to top it all off, you continually step off point and try to make the issue about your unfounded assessment of my "emotional state". Let me fill you in on my emotional state, sparky...it's called mirth. There is nothing to be emotional over because you have presented nothing that diminishes my arguments. And even if you had, you can ask anyone here...I would be inclined to look at your evidence and re-evaluate my stance. But so far, your drivel has done nothing more than prove that you would argue with the very rain about where it comes from and get your ass on your shoulders when the sound of its patter on the rooftop didn't affirm your argument.

Now, do you have anything of relevance to present or are we done here?
 
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Less educated oh man you are riot. The more education one has the more likely they are to accept gays as equals.

As with most things, Education is a key to dispel ignorance and fear.

People are often afraid of that which they do not know or understand. As more and more gay people come out and more and more people become acquainted with and educated about the issues, their attitudes change accordingly.
 
As with most things, Education is a key to dispel ignorance and fear.

People are often afraid of that which they do not know or understand. As more and more gay people come out and more and more people become acquainted with and educated about the issues, their attitudes change accordingly.

Yeap, education is the key. I agree, that people attitudes change over time. I think that people are getting more educated, and a lot liberal is issues.
 
Actually Navy...you are wrong. With the exception of the extreme Bible Belt....Americans are becoming more and more accepting of fairness and equality.
You will see.....the tide is turning quickly. Its only a matter of time.

Like I said, you live in a fantasy world..........Pretty soon 49 out of 50 states will define marriage as a union between a man and a woman......The issue will be on several ballots in the fall and you will lose every one.........the only state that will legally recognize gay marriage is Mass. and that is because activist judges made the ruling......If the people get a chance to vote you will lose there to........I wonder when there are 50 states that have denounced gay marriage will you still be in your fantasy world saying your winning? I actually feel sorry for you my left wing friend..........I don't hear the gays in DP arguing the issue like you.........
 
Like I said, you live in a fantasy world..........Pretty soon 49 out of 50 states will define marriage as a union between a man and a woman......The issue will be on several ballots in the fall and you will lose every one.........the only state that will legally recognize gay marriage is Mass. and that is because activist judges made the ruling......If the people get a chance to vote you will lose there to........I wonder when there are 50 states that have denounced gay marriage will you still be in your fantasy world saying your winning? I actually feel sorry for you my left wing friend..........I don't hear the gays in DP arguing the issue like you.........

Oh this post is worth a book mark
 
It's been proven time, and time again that young people vote for Gay marriage. The voting statics, prove this the young-adults vote split 55 percent to 45 percent.


The people, are waking up too. Future Trends for Same-Sex Marriage Support? - Statistical Modeling, Causal Inference, and Social Science We here in texas just vote in our first gay mayor, so people thoughts are changing Navy. You can't stop progress.

Young people are traditionly liberal.....Hell I was to...No responsibilities, no worries, no problem, the state will take care of me from cradle to grave.....As we grow older and wiser get married, have a family we realize the error in our ways and turn conservative........Its a fact of life.........The silent majority in this country are mostly conservative and religeous......They will prevail..........
 
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The accepting of gays, will become a reality by your life time Navy. More and more people, are waking up. My mother, and grandmother are older, and they are accepting of gays. I have a wide verity of ages in my family, and we all accept gays as equals. My mother, is as liberal as I am, and she is around 59. So not true Navy.
 
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But even acceptance of gays among older Americans is changing....

I am one of those aging Americans and I can tell you that is wrong........I associate with many veterans in the clubs I belong to, American Legion, Fleet Reserve, VFW, and to a man most of them at best think gay marriage is wrong and at worse think its a joke............
 
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I am one of those aging Americans and I can tell you that is wrong........I associate with many veterans in the clubs I belong to, American Legion, Fleet Reserve, VFW, and to a man most of them at best think gay marriage is wrong and at worse think its a joke............

I know gay vets your age that have been with their partners s since their military days.
 
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I know gay vets your age that have been with their partners s since their military days.

Shh don't tell him that. :lol: He obviously hasn't understood that there're vets that are gay.
 
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Like I said, you live in a fantasy world..........Pretty soon 49 out of 50 states will define marriage as a union between a man and a woman......The issue will be on several ballots in the fall and you will lose every one.........the only state that will legally recognize gay marriage is Mass. and that is because activist judges made the ruling......If the people get a chance to vote you will lose there to........I wonder when there are 50 states that have denounced gay marriage will you still be in your fantasy world saying your winning? I actually feel sorry for you my left wing friend..........I don't hear the gays in DP arguing the issue like you.........


Because you are failing to understand on so many levels Navy:

1. First of all....Constitutional rights should never be put to a popular vote.
Can you imagine how different civil rights would be in this country if the rights had been put to a popular vote.

2. Even IF it is put to a popular vote, the shift in numbers is astounding and indicative that gay marriage is on the horizon. Yes, Navy, you are correct that when put to a popular vote, the voters have been against it. But the BIG BIG BIG thing that you are missing is look at the numbers of those elections. The shift has been dramatic and is changing rapidly.
Where 10 years ago gay marriage was losing by 30-40 points. Today it is losing by 4-5 points. You are in complete denial if you fail to recognize that outdated discriminatory views are soon to be a thing of the past.

Even old Farts like you Navy (and I say that endearingly....)...are changing their attitudes. I think even you are capable of embracing that which is fair and right over time, despite your stubborness.

When you have older conservative Republican mayors realizing that they were wrong on the issue and changing course, it gives me hope that even you will come to that realization in your lifetime. I sincerely, hope that you will...because I think down deep you really are more caring and understanding than your old ways are allowing you to be.
 
Because you are failing to understand on so many levels Navy:

1. First of all....Constitutional rights should never be put to a popular vote.
Can you imagine how different civil rights would be in this country if the rights had been put to a popular vote.

2. Even IF it is put to a popular vote, the shift in numbers is astounding and indicative that gay marriage is on the horizon. Yes, Navy, you are correct that when put to a popular vote, the voters have been against it. But the BIG BIG BIG thing that you are missing is look at the numbers of those elections. The shift has been dramatic and is changing rapidly.
Where 10 years ago gay marriage was losing by 30-40 points. Today it is losing by 4-5 points. You are in complete denial if you fail to recognize that outdated discriminatory views are soon to be a thing of the past.

Even old Farts like you Navy (and I say that endearingly....)...are changing their attitudes. I think even you are capable of embracing that which is fair and right over time, despite your stubborness.

When you have older conservative Republican mayors realizing that they were wrong on the issue and changing course, it gives me hope that even you will come to that realization in your lifetime. I sincerely, hope that you will...because I think down deep you really are more caring and understanding than your old ways are allowing you to be.

Come to the meeting at one of my lodges and ask the members how they feel about the issue or better yet go to one of the lodges (VFW, FRA, etc and put the question to them.....They won't beat you up or anything like that but they will definitely let you know how they feel about the issue......You live in such a fantasy world that I don't think they will convince you but you will learn that older people are definitely against gay marriage...........
 
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I know gay vets your age that have been with their partners s since their military days.

And your point is?:confused:
 
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And your point is?:confused:

They are not afraid of coming out now. And I'm very proud of my Uncle's service.
 
I am one of those aging Americans and I can tell you that is wrong........I associate with many veterans in the clubs I belong to, American Legion, Fleet Reserve, VFW, and to a man most of them at best think gay marriage is wrong and at worse think its a joke............

Wait a minute, I am a veteran, and I think gay marriage should be encouraged. I am far from the only one who thinks that.
 
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They are not afraid of coming out now. And I'm very proud of my Uncle's service.



Good for you and who said they were....:confused:There are many good gay people that served in the military honorably....I still want to know what the **** your point is?
 
Come to the meeting at one of my lodges and ask the members how they feel about the issue or better yet go to one of the lodges (VFW, FRA, etc and put the question to them.....They won't beat you up or anything like that but they will definitely let you know how they feel about the issue......You live in such a fantasy world that I don't think they will convince you but you will learn that older people are definitely against gay marriage...........


But go forward one generation Navy and you will see that they are not quite as stubborn as your old folkie lodge brothers. People in their 50's and 60's are more tolerant than those in their 70's...

Also, I would suspect that some of your intolerant lodge buddies are probably more tolerant than they are willing to admit among their macho lodge brothers.
People in their 70's and 80's haven't been exposed to gay people as much as younger people....that is why education is key to changing attitudes.
 
Wait a minute, I am a veteran, and I think gay marriage should be encouraged. I am far from the only one who thinks that.

You are #1 a girl, #2 a Liberal, and most importantly white, so you don't count. Get used to your second class citizenship. You will be much happier for it.

See I told them we should have never given women the right to vote![/sarcasm]
 
You live in such a fantasy world that I don't think they will convince you but you will learn that older people are definitely against gay marriage...........

And younger people are in favor of gay marriage. And since older people have a nasty habit of dying sooner... You do the math.

Gay marriage is inevitable.
 
And younger people are in favor of gay marriage. And since older people have a nasty habit of dying sooner... You do the math.

Gay marriage is inevitable.

And we all know the younger generation never takes on the values of the older generation... if it were as easy as you say, we'd have Gay marriage 100 years ago. Somehow, that didn't happen. And I'm not so sure younger people are in favor of gay marriage. In what state? In what region? What does "younger" mean exactly?

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And we all know the younger generation never takes on the values of the older generation... if it were as easy as you say, we'd have Gay marriage 100 years ago. Somehow, that didn't happen. And I'm not so sure younger people are in favor of gay marriage. In what state? In what region? What does "younger" mean exactly?

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That is not accurate. 100 years ago, gays where relatively unknown and people where not so much anti-gay, as it was not something they ever thought about. The situation has changed significantly today, and almost every one knows at least one gay person, most know more than one. This is a large part of the reason for attitudes changing to my mind.
 
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