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New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

Navy Pride said:
Yeah, I signed it to.........Then obey the laws of the land or try and change them legally........
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What the hell are you even talking about? Where did I say I wanted to change the laws??
 
Navy Pride said:
My main reason for being against gay marriage is the bucket of words (which I have covered extensively) it opens if approved..........I have secondary reasons to but that is the main one.......
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It was a yes or no question. Congrats on NOT dodging the bullet.
 
Blackdog said:
OT laws for his chosen people do not apply to modern day Christians. You should know this.
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Yet, the OT speaks of Christ's coming. You should know this.



Even the NT makes no mention of sodomy being a sin. It's funny if you go back to the actual text even in the OT. The translation says they were talking about rape or forced sodomy. The act itself if done to a woman does not seem to be a sin according to Jesus. Of course he made no mention of gay at all. Paul is the one who mentioned it.
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Where did Paul get his inspiration? Now you might answer out of the air, and you would be close: more like out of the heavens, from God.

If it was that important, why didn't Jesus mention it?
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He equated all manner of sins together, since his reason for being here was to bring salvation to all men and women, regardless of their sin, but that did not mean that after receivng that salvation, they should continue in their sins.
 
bicycleman said:
What kind of values do same-sex parents instill in little Johnny? Does he too grow up to be a homosexual like his 2 daddies? Do his 2 daddies push him into the gay lifestyle, steering him away from the natural order of things? Those are the questions you need to answer for me.
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Do you push your children into a heterosexual Christian lifestyle? Is your son growing up to whine and troll on forums as a "very conservative"? :2razz:

What "natural order"? We left that behind a few thousand years ago, civilisation is a human construct.
You are steering your children away from the natural order when you teach them to use a spoon to eat and how to put a shirt on. :lol:
 
Navy Pride said:
Imagine how confused a kid would be growing up with two fathers or mothers........
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Do you really need all the studies linked which show that children of same sex parents do just as well and are just as dwell adjusted as children of dual sex parents?

Incidentally, my parents divorced, my dad remarried, so I had two mothers, which I always considered a bonus.
 
Blackdog said:
What does Islam have to do with this? :roll:

They were talking about a God, any God that a person may worship.
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It has to do with the God we worship and the God radical muslims worship...come on even you can figure that out.......

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Redress said:
Do you really need all the studies linked which show that children of same sex parents do just as well and are just as dwell adjusted as children of dual sex parents?

Incidentally, my parents divorced, my dad remarried, so I had two mothers, which I always considered a bonus.
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You can post all those biased studies if you want but it only makes common sense that a child with a father and mother make better parents then a child with two fathers.....A faher or mother have a role in raising a child that is missing when they have 2 same sex parents..........
 
Navy Pride said:
It has to do with the God we worship and the God radical muslims worship...come on even you can figure that out.......

:roll:
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It has nothing to do with my point, or what I was talking about.

It is nothing but a HUGE red herring. :2wave:
 
Blackdog said:
It has nothing to do with my point, or what I was talking about.

It is nothing but a HUGE red herring. :2wave:
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Do you guys use that answer every time you are shot down......Did not use to be that way here..........
 
Navy Pride said:
You can post all those biased studies if you want but it only makes common sense that a child with a father and mother make better parents then a child with two fathers.....A faher or mother have a role in raising a child that is missing when they have 2 same sex parents..........
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You can document that all those studies are biased? You can back up your claim with any kind of facts?
 
roderic said:
Do you push your children into a heterosexual Christian lifestyle? Is your son growing up to whine and troll on forums as a "very conservative"? :2razz:

What "natural order"? We left that behind a few thousand years ago, civilisation is a human construct.
You are steering your children away from the natural order when you teach them to use a spoon to eat and how to put a shirt on. :lol:
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I would never push a child of mine into doing anything. It's his decision whatever he wants to do. It was the same with God. He didn't push man into accepting him. He gave him a brain and free will. I'm afraid God may have made a mistake, though. That free will has come back to haunt him. :lol:
 
bicycleman said:
Yet, the OT speaks of Christ's coming. You should know this.
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And this has nothing to do with my point, or what I was talking about. :doh

bicycleman said:
Where did Paul get his inspiration? Now you might answer out of the air, and you would be close: more like out of the heavens, from God.
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I think he did, but do you have any tangible proof? Didn't think so.

This also has nothing to do with our secular laws in this country. Gods laws are for our personal lives, not government.

bicycleman said:
He equated all manner of sins together, since his reason for being here was to bring salvation to all men and women, regardless of their sin, but that did not mean that after receivng that salvation, they should continue in their sins.
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Most gay people are probably not Christians. So no worries their. :roll:

And this has a bearing on our government how? We are a secular country.
 
Navy Pride said:
You can post all those biased studies if you want but it only makes common sense that a child with a father and mother make better parents then a child with two fathers.....A faher or mother have a role in raising a child that is missing when they have 2 same sex parents..........
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"Common sense" once informed us that sin caused illness, blacks could not be educated and the Earth was flat, among other things.

In other words, that's called appeal to false authority and is a logical fallacy.
 
Navy Pride said:
Do you guys use that answer every time you are shot down......Did not use to be that way here..........
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Shot down? :lol:

Your answer has literally nothing to do with anything I said.

That is what makes it a red herring.
 
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Redress said:
You can document that all those studies are biased? You can back up your claim with any kind of facts?
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Everyone has and agenda Redress be they for or against gay marriage.............I just know that a father brings something to bringing up a child that 2 mothers can not bring.........That is only common sense........
 
bicycleman said:
What were you talking about? Fish, now?
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:lol:

I want to say something sooooo bad.

I guess you have never been to college? Or High School for that matter.
 
bicycleman said:
I would never push a child of mine into doing anything. It's his decision whatever he wants to do.
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And there you have your answer.
Why would this be a question, does being homosexual prevent a sensible, caring parent from doing exactly that, in your opinion?
 
Navy Pride said:
Everyone has and agenda Redress be they for or against gay marriage.............I just know that a father brings something to bringing up a child that 2 mothers can not bring.........That is only common sense........
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Common sense once told us that left handed people where villains. Common sense is one of those meaningless terms in discussions like this. Now, got any facts to back up your claim?
 
texmaster said:
Too bad it didn't debunk anything.

Still relying on psychological profiles from questionnaires? Shabby, very shabby.
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Actually, no. Much of the data was established from interviews and direct observation, not just questionnaires.

Of course, it doesn't matter what information is provided. You will argue that the measurements are invalid, the samples are not random enough or are too small, or that there is not enough statistical analysis. And of course, you will do so without actually providing any reference to the actual studies in question, because likely you will never even read them. Then you will provide single parent family parent statistics and argue a methodologically unsound position based on those stats. I've gone through all of this, and I have no interest in going back there.

The problem with your method though, and I have stated as much before, is that a growing body of empirical research over the course of 25 years supports the conclusion. If it were only a few studies, then you could make the argument, but as dozens and dozens of studies have come to the same conclusion, the evidence has mounted.
 
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bicycleman said:
Then you should remember the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and why these two cities were destroyed.

If man's laws were not based on what is written in the Bible, then how do you explain the laws against sodomy in every state in the union?
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In Lawrence v. Texas sodomy laws were declared unconstitutional.

Fail.
 
bicycleman said:
What kind of values do same-sex parents instill in little Johnny? Does he too grow up to be a homosexual like his 2 daddies? Do his 2 daddies push him into the gay lifestyle, steering him away from the natural order of things? Those are the questions you need to answer for me.
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That's easy. I have a multitude of studies that I have posted at DP many times that show that children who are reared by same-sex couples do just as well as those by opposite sex couples. Read that again... JUST AS WELL. There is no correlation between children of same sex couple being more likely to become gay. Your comments around this are completely uniformed and completely in error.

So, now that it has been demonstrated that your perception is factually incorrect, what are you going to do?
 
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