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New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

As long as government is involved in marriage, then ALL forms of adult consensual relationships should be allowed.

And you of course are willing to pay all the taxes needed to provide the benefits for all these marriages.......:rofl
 
Why then do you hide your embarassment of being a Republican?

Cause he votes Democrat for some guy who is inconsequential as far as international and domestic policies go or in other words a D.I.N.O. Oh. And he voted for a Democrat President around 80 years ago.
 
And you of course are willing to pay all the taxes needed to provide the benefits for all these marriages.......:rofl

Do you not understand that a large percentage of states who recognize civil unions already provide those benefits or a lot of them? Your victories are superficial in nature.
 
Oh yea!? What if I want six wives? What then?

He doesn't care, he is a very wealthy man and is willing to pay all the taxes needed ffor the benefits for all these marriages.....

:rofl
 
Oh yea!? What if I want six wives? What then?

Go to SCOTUS. Have fun fighting for what you want like everybody else and while you're at it? Stop diluting this ****ing issue with slippery slope arguments.
 
Why then do you hide your embarassment of being a Republican?

Because being conservative has little to do with being a Republican. :roll:
 
Do you not understand that a large percentage of states who recognize civil unions already provide those benefits or a lot of them? Your victories are superficial in nature.

NONE of them provide federal benefits..........
 
Because being conservative has little to do with being a Republican. :roll:

I agree. The Republican party of today has very little to do with conservative.

But Navy isn't really a "conservative"...like he says "Anyone can put something behind their name".

Navy's policies are neo-con in nature and right-wing radical in the social agenda field. Nothing like the "conservatives" that existed in the Barry Goldwater days.
 
Go to SCOTUS. Have fun fighting for what you want like everybody else and while you're at it? Stop diluting this ****ing issue with slippery slope arguments.

slippery slope only to the far left.............:roll:
 
I have told him that a dozen times.............

So have I.

His partisan glasses do not permit him to see beyond the 2 party Republican and Democrat system.
 
I agree. The Republican party of today has very little to do with conservative.

But Navy isn't really a "conservative"...like he says "Anyone can put something behind their name".

Navy's policies are neo-con in nature and right-wing radical in the social agenda field. Nothing like the "conservatives" that existed in the Barry Goldwater days.

eat your heart out my left wing friend........:rofl
 
NONE of them provide federal benefits..........

That is because the fight isn't there yet. Do you not understand that this fight is still in its infancy? First? You get states to give gay couples benefits. 1-2-3-5-10. More progress has been made in that area the last 10 years than in the previous 40. Then? Once you've gotten a percentage of the population to support you on a federal fight? You go for it. You will be dead by the time gay marriage is legal on a federal level. And your grandchildren? They will have to live with it.
 
So have I.

His partisan glasses do not permit him to see beyond the 2 party Republican and Democrat system.

He is a Cindy Sheehan, Michael Moore supporter so that pretty much explains his politics...........
 
That is because the fight isn't there yet. Do you not understand that this fight is still in its infancy? First? You get states to give gay couples benefits. 1-2-3-5-10. More progress has been made in that area the last 10 years than in the previous 40. Then? Once you've gotten a percentage of the population to support you on a federal fight? You go for it. You will be dead by the time gay marriage is legal on a federal level. And your grandchildren? They will have to live with it.

Yeah right as you lose one contest after another when the people speak.........31-0 none.........:rofl I would not hold my breath............
 
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I agree. The Republican party of today has very little to do with conservative.

But Navy isn't really a "conservative"...like he says "Anyone can put something behind their name".

Navy's policies are neo-con in nature and right-wing radical in the social agenda field. Nothing like the "conservatives" that existed in the Barry Goldwater days.

Because conservatism from the "Barry Goldwater days" is not the same. Just like conservatism from 50 years before that etc.

Admittedly he is a bit neoconish, makes him no less predominantly conservative.
 
Because conservatism from the "Barry Goldwater days" is not the same. Just like conservatism from 50 years before that etc.

Admittedly he is a bit neoconish, makes him no less predominantly conservative.

Black....you've been arond long enough to see Navy jump to the defense of the Republican party at every attack.
When have you ever seen Navy say anything negative about the Republican party....yet......he's too ashamed to admit what he is.....and yet, he condemns others from hiding behind their profiles.

I guess it depends on what you mean by "Conservative". If you define it as a big government social agenda...then yes....Navy is very conservative.
But that isn't how most people that I believe are true conservatives define themselves.
 
Yeah right as you lose one contest after another when the people speak.........31-0 none.........:rofl

Hahaha appeals to popularity get you nowhere Navy. Do you not understand that civil unions are just the start? It took black people 300 years to get rights and federal benefits. It won't take that long for gays considering the major strides they've made in the last 10 years alone.
 
Because conservatism from the "Barry Goldwater days" is not the same. Just like conservatism from 50 years before that etc.

Admittedly he is a bit neoconish, makes him no less predominantly conservative.

Even though I usually vote Republican, I am actually voting against the democrat like Gore, Kerry, and Hussein Obama.....I might not be crazy about Bush and McCain but they are a hell of a lot better then the people I have mentioned............I am a rib rocked Conservative who votes for whom I think is the best man regardless of their party.......
 
Even though I usually vote Republican, I am actually voting against the democrat like Gore, Kerry, and Hussein Obama.....I might not be crazy about Bush and McCain but they are a hell of a lot better then the people I have mentioned............I am a rib rocked Conservative who votes for whom I think is the best man regardless of their party.......


Oh please...Navy....it is WIDELY known that you LOVED Bush....you called him a "Great and inspired world leader".....after his failure as President you want to distance yourself from him...that's understandable...but you aren't fooling anyone that your vote FOR Bush was because you wanted to vote against Gore/Kerry....I call Shenanigans there.
 
Hahaha appeals to popularity get you nowhere Navy. Do you not understand that civil unions are just the start? It took black people 300 years to get rights and federal benefits. It won't take that long for gays considering the major strides they've made in the last 10 years alone.

You are right, it has nothing to do with marriage, it has to do with accepting the gay lifestyle as a suitable alternative lifestyle............
 
You are right, it has nothing to do with marriage, it has to do with accepting the gay lifestyle as a suitable alternative lifestyle............

What is the "gay lifestyle"?

Being Gay is a suitable alternative to being straight. More and more people recognize that every day. You are losing that battle old man.
 
Black....you've been arond long enough to see Navy jump to the defense of the Republican party at every attack.
When have you ever seen Navy say anything negative about the Republican party....yet......he's too ashamed to admit what he is.....and yet, he condemns others from hiding behind their profiles.

To be honest I have not noticed only because I don't care, lol.

You mean like Goldendog being an independent? Yea he mite be, but so what? You never call out any of the more liberal people around here who do exactly the same thing. Rather hypocritical don't you think? Not to mention it has nothing to do with the thread.

I guess it depends on what you mean by "Conservative". If you define it as a big government social agenda...then yes....Navy is very conservative.

Big government social agenda? You mean not wanting more waist of time laws?

But that isn't how most people that I believe are true conservatives define themselves.

Well it would not be the first time your perception was inaccurate.
 
Oh please...Navy....it is WIDELY known that you LOVED Bush....you called him a "Great and inspired world leader".....after his failure as President you want to distance yourself from him...that's understandable...but you aren't fooling anyone that your vote FOR Bush was because you wanted to vote against Gore/Kerry....I call Shenanigans there.

Again DD for the 100th time Bush had his fallacies but he is 100 times better then the people you voted for......If they had got elected wwe would all be radical muslims by now or be dead........Thank you President Bush for keeping us safe.........We had 1 attack on this country under Bush, we have already had 3 attacks under Hussein Obama..........
 
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