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New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

Navy Pride said:
Nope that is not the word I would use in that case.....
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Then you are being inconsistent and hypocritical. They are the same thing.
 
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Navy Pride said:
We are going round and round in circles here CC....In my opinion being straight is the norm..........
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We are going round and round, NP. There is a difference between something being "the norm" and something being normal.
 
I remember when wearing bellbottoms was the norm. Looking back, that seems pretty abnormal now.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Easy. Being gay is not a dysfunction, disorder, or abnormality. This has been proven by the "Hooker" research, which has been repeated many times demonstrating validity.
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And of course the Hooker report had no axe to grind...........seriously I don't know if they did or not but there are people on both sides of the issue with and agenda and juist as adament as you are............

Again its funny how people on the left gets so fired up over the issue......Personally I believe in live and let live..........I believe gays should have civil unions with equal rights.........Like I said what someone does in the privacy of there bedroom whether they be gay or straight does not concern me......Gays don't have the corner on doing abnormal things in the bedroom, a lot of straights are just as bad........

You guys might want to pull your thanks because I am adamently against gay marriage.............
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
So, are you then saying, based on this definition that "average" and "normal" can be used synonymously? Please clarify by answering this question.
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What does the definition say? Is it so hard to admit that is what it means?
 
ptif219 said:
What does the definition say? Is it so hard to admit that is what it means?
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You have been asked for clarification and to answer the question repeatedly and refused. As you are adding nothing to this thread at this point, you have 3 choices: 1) answer the question with clarification and we move on from here; 2) do not answer the question (concede), move on and address other issues; 3) continue what you are doing (trolling) and get thread banned. Consider this an official warning.
 
Captain America said:
I remember when wearing bellbottoms was the norm. Looking back, that seems pretty abnormal now.
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Odd, different maybe, abnormal nope..........I think that a guy with 20 ear ring piercing is abnormal, you probably don't.........we can all have different opinions............
 
Navy Pride said:
There is the same mountain of evidence that says they are not born thay way...In truth no one knows for sure.....not you not me.....................
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Scientific evidence? No. There is not. Read my post again my elderly friend.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Then you are being inconsistent and hypocritical. They are the same thing.
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I have to go back and see what you say I am being inconsistent about........can you refresh my memory..thanks.......
 
Hatuey said:
Scientific evidence? No. There is not. Read my post again my elderly friend.
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Nope sonny boy, its the same thing...now go to your room....its past your bed time.........
 
Navy Pride said:
And of course the Hooker report had no axe to grind...........seriously I don't know if they did or not but there are people on both sides of the issue with and agenda and juist as adament as you are............

Again its funny how people on the left gets so fired up over the issue......Personally I believe in live and let live..........I believe gays should have civil unions with equal rights.........Like I said what someone does in the privacy of there bedroom whether they be gay or straight does not concern me......Gays don't have the corner on doing abnormal things in the bedroom, a lot of straights are just as bad........
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Well, I'll be damned. :shock:
 
Navy Pride said:
Nope sonny boy, its the same thing...now go to your room....its past your bed time.........
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No Navy. Scientific evidence and 'evidence' are not the same thing. The word 'scientific' qualifies what kind of evidence it is. Would you like to provide the scientific evidence that supports your assertion that gay marriage is not as natural as red hair? I bet you won't.
 
Navy Pride said:
And of course the Hooker report had no axe to grind...........seriously I don't know if they did or not but there are people on both sides of the issue with and agenda and juist as adament as you are............
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The Hooker report was credible and valid, proven by methodological standards. If you believe that is not true, I'd LOVE to see your evidence, NP.

Again its funny how people on the left gets so fired up over the issue......Personally I believe in live and let live..........I believe gays should have civil unions with equal rights.........Like I said what someone does in the privacy of there bedroom whether they be gay or straight does not concern me......Gays don't have the corner on doing abnormal things in the bedroom, a lot of straights are just as bad........
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This I agree with.
 
Navy Pride said:
I have to go back and see what you say I am being inconsistent about........can you refresh my memory..thanks.......
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Gotta head home from work, NP. I'll repost later. :2wave:
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
You have been asked for clarification and to answer the question repeatedly and refused. As you are adding nothing to this thread at this point, you have 3 choices: 1) answer the question with clarification and we move on from here; 2) do not answer the question (concede), move on and address other issues; 3) continue what you are doing (trolling) and get thread banned. Consider this an official warning.
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You refuse to admit what it says. Go ahead. Mods do not intimidate me.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
The Hooker report was credible and valid, proven by methodological standards. If you believe that is not true, I'd LOVE to see your evidence, NP.
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CaptainCourtesy said:
This I agree with.
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There are reports that claim just the opposite and there are sworn testimonials from gay people who have changed.............I am not going to call them a liar.............
 
MrVicchio said:
FOXNews.com - New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

Civil Unions Yes, changing "marriage" no. Makes sense to me.
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No difference. Same legislation, different names, who cares? Marriage never had any "sanctity" anyway (anymore than it does now - and in the "legal" since, certainly not - it's just about property rights in case of divorce).

Nothing to see here, just more people needlessly obsessing over gay butt sex and turning gay butt sex into a political issue. No wonder our politics are so ****ed up. haha
 
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Toothpicvic said:
Why's this guy so interested in what goes on in gay bedrooms. Kinda creepy :confused:
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Did you read what I wrote or are you just plain stupid my left wing friend.......Sorry CC I had to.......
 
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ptif219 said:
Seems the states are doing a good job so far
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Just like interracial marriage, this will likely be determined in the Supreme Court. And just like interracial marriage, it will become a non issue in a few decades.
 
CriticalThought said:
Just like interracial marriage, this will likely be determined in the Supreme Court. And just like interracial marriage, it will become a non issue in a few decades.
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Automated Response : NUH UH! - The fact that we're only getting slim majorities on issues that were unspeakable 30 years ago & the fact that gays now have more rights and benefits than they could have dreamed of 20 years ago and the fact that interracial marriage set a precedent to who dictated the guidelines for marriage does not mean that this issue is close to the end. We're winning! We're winning! Can't you see? State by state we're giving gays every privilege and right we afford straight couples but we're winning! WINNING I TELL YOU WINNING!
 
Navy Pride said:


There are reports that claim just the opposite and there are sworn testimonials from gay people who have changed.............I am not going to call them a liar.............
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The reports that claim the opposite that I have seen have major methodological flaws and are not credible. Folks who claim they have changed are a different matter and a different discussion. We would first have to discuss the difference between sexual orientation and sexual behavior.
 
Hatuey said:
Automated Response : NUH UH! - The fact that we're only getting slim majorities on issues that were unspeakable 30 years ago & the fact that gays now have more rights and benefits than they could have dreamed of 20 years ago and the fact that interracial marriage set a precedent to who dictated the guidelines for marriage does not mean that this issue is close to the end. We're winning! We're winning! Can't you see? State by state we're giving gays every privilege and right we afford straight couples but we're winning! WINNING I TELL YOU WINNING!
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You are winning in the long term. However there are some notable losses.

-California
-Maine
-New York
-New Jersey

The score is 31-0 when it comes to state voter initiatives for same sex marriage. Four of the most liberal states in the union just voted either by voter initiative or by legislature against same sex marriage.

The reality is that the trend for same sex marriage has halted in the United States. There is not a state save Massachusetts where same sex marriage could win as a voter initiative simply because half the country still sees homosexuality as immoral.

That is why the Supreme Court will probably end up deciding this. Going state by state is no longer a winning strategy for gay rights advocates.
 
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