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New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

I think he's already made it abundantly clear that he is going to duck and run from the question.

Then not only will I keep asking him, but I encourage everyone to respond to each of his posts asking the same question until he answers.
 
I'll even give you a clue Navy....click back to post #180....that is where you entered this particular conversation....and clearly miscontrued the argument.
Nice attempt though....next time, just read a little more carefully and you ight be able to participate in the conversation better.
 
Again we get bck to what is the norm.....If 99% of the people in this country are the norm then gays are very different............

Again....we aren't talking "the norm" Navy. :doh
You are entering the conversation three conversations late and a dollar short.

We are talking what is normal and what is not considered normal.
 
Again we get bck to what is the norm.....If 99% of the people in this country are the norm then gays are very different............

You are defining "average" here, NP. I agree; gays are not average... anymore than left handers, red-heads or Scientologists. However, normal is a different issue altogether.
 
No, I would call your autistic son not average or not of the norm. I would NOT call him abnormal. Different contexts. YOU are confused over the definition of words, so I will ask AGAIN: are you using the words "average" and "normal" synonymously?

As I have said because it is not the normal does not make it abnormal
 
I keep asking this it is your answer. Does the definition i linked say that?

Simple "yes" or "not question: are you using the words "average" and "normal" synonymously?

You posted the definitions, you clarify them and tell us how you are using them. Not my job to do that.
 
As I have said because it is not the normal does not make it abnormal

Make it easy on yourself dude....admit it was poor semantics on your part and you didn't really mean normal...as much as you meant to say the "average" or the "norm".
 
As I have said because it is not the normal does not make it abnormal

Still avoiding the question, eh? Here it is again: are you using the words "average" and "normal" synonymously?
 
Would you like me to provide the mountains of scientific evidence which blow your beliefs away?

There is the same mountain of evidence that says they are not born thay way...In truth no one knows for sure.....not you not me.....................
 
Perhaps your semantics are just poorly chosen.

When most people say something is "not normal" they are referring to it being "abnormal".

Perhaps what you are trying to say is that it is not "the norm" or the predominant view.

I think it may simply have been a poor choice of words on your part.

Agree?

Not true if something is not normal does not automatically make it abnormal
 
Make it easy on yourself dude....admit it was poor semantics on your part and you didn't really mean normal...as much as you meant to say the "average" or the "norm".

I've given him this out. Interesting that he won't take it. Maybe he knows what's coming next. ;)
 
There is the same mountain of evidence that says they are not born thay way...In truth no one knows for sure.....not you not me.....................


So then why base your position on the absolution that gay are not born that way....you define it that way.
 
Again we get bck to what is the norm.....If 99% of the people in this country are the norm then gays are very different............

Normal is overrated. You are outside of the norm due to your age. On the plus side though, by your definition, women are outside the norm, since there are slightly fewer of them in the world, making up only 49.7 % of the population. So you get to be of the normal gender. Back to your abnormalities though, you post on this board, which is well outside the norm of society, and you are a navy vet, where both of us are well outside the norm.
 
There is the same mountain of evidence that says they are not born thay way...In truth no one knows for sure.....not you not me.....................

There is just as much evidence that says they ARE born that way. That is why we really don't know.
 
You are defining "average" here, NP. I agree; gays are not average... anymore than left handers, red-heads or Scientologists. However, normal is a different issue altogether.

That is true but of the groups you mentioned the only one most people consider abnormal are gays......
 
As I have said because it is not the normal does not make it abnormal

Its funny how you have suddenly changed your semantics from saying "it is not normal" to saying "it is not THE normal".

I think that is as close to a concession are you are going to make....and yet you still are avoiding the question.
 
There is the same mountain of evidence that says they are not born thay way...In truth no one knows for sure.....not you not me.....................

I would not go that far. Circumstantially, I would say that there is more evidence to suggest a prenatal aspect to orientation. You are correct that there is no sure evidence as of now.
 
Normal is overrated. You are outside of the norm due to your age. On the plus side though, by your definition, women are outside the norm, since there are slightly fewer of them in the world, making up only 49.7 % of the population. So you get to be of the normal gender. Back to your abnormalities though, you post on this board, which is well outside the norm of society, and you are a navy vet, where both of us are well outside the norm.

That is your opinion....Its like your ass..we all have one.......
 
That is true but of the groups you mentioned the only one most people consider abnormal are gays......

What most people "consider", NP is irrelevant and an appeal to the numbers logical fallacy, NP. You would have to show evidence that gays are abnormal... and I know you can't do that.
 
That is true but of the groups you mentioned the only one most people consider abnormal are gays......

Very few people consider gays "abnormal" navy...:roll:
You are still living in the past.
 
Answer this question: are you using the words "average" and "normal" synonymously?

Again what does the definition I posted say. I take you won't answer because the definition does not fit your agenda
 
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