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New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

Some thing that is not normal is not automatically abnormal. You would probably call my 36 year old autistic son abnormal.

Again you have to take me out of context and make your own theories the way of the debate.

No, I would call your autistic son not average or not of the norm. I would NOT call him abnormal. Different contexts. YOU are confused over the definition of words, so I will ask AGAIN: are you using the words "average" and "normal" synonymously?
 
Some thing that is not normal is not automatically abnormal. You would probably call my 36 year old autistic son abnormal.

Again you have to take me out of context and make your own theories the way of the debate.

Perhaps your semantics are just poorly chosen.

When most people say something is "not normal" they are referring to it being "abnormal".

Perhaps what you are trying to say is that it is not "the norm" or the predominant view.

I think it may simply have been a poor choice of words on your part.

Agree?
 
That is where we part way CC and you know it.........Blacks are a minority, they are born that way......Gays are a group of people that are defined by their lifestyle......Huge difference.......Now i know what your going to come back with that Gays are born that way but I believe the jury is out on that.......

Well said. Which is exactly why believing they are born gay is a faith based belief and not something you base law upon.
 
Navy....you are having a conversation all to yourself. Please....if you ar going to participate in this converation, please keep on topic....we aren't talking the "norm" or "average"....we are talking normal v. abnormal.

If you want to start a different conversation on the "norm"...feel free.

Nope, I believe the topic is gay marriage in NJ.....I let you get me off of that so your right lets get back on it...........
 
That is where we part way CC and you know it.........Blacks are a minority, they are born that way......Gays are a group of people that are defined by their lifestyle......Huge difference.......Now i know what your going to come back with that Gays are born that way but I believe the jury is out on that.......

Actually, I'm not going to claim that gays are born that way, NP, because you are correct. How sexual orientation develops is unknown. There are theories, but nothing conclusive. However, gays are NOT defined by their lifestyle. In fact, I have no idea what a gay lifestyle is.
 
That is where we part way CC and you know it.........Blacks are a minority, they are born that way......Gays are a group of people that are defined by their lifestyle......Huge difference.......Now i know what your going to come back with that Gays are born that way but I believe the jury is out on that.......

If the "jury is out" then why are you stating with absolution that people are not born gay. Seems like you are being a little inconsistent here.
 
Nope, I believe the topic is gay marriage in NJ.....I let you get me off of that so your right lets get back on it...........

I didn't start this conversation with you Navy....you jumped into a conversation that was taking place between CC and Ptif that I was participating in as well....but nice try.
 
Well said. Which is exactly why believing they are born gay is a faith based belief and not something you base law upon.

We have no idea, other than theories how any time of sexual orientation develops... hetero or homo.
 
You've changed the word. Tell us... and this is a yes or no question... are blacks normal?

Normal to what? You can't just is something normal and not say to what. Are the normal people yes are they the normal for this country in race. I think that is hard since there are so many races here. Are white the normal I think not anymore since many races have caught us there is no longer a normal but many are normal.
 
Actually, I'm not going to claim that gays are born that way, NP, because you are correct. How sexual orientation develops is unknown. There are theories, but nothing conclusive. However, gays are NOT defined by their lifestyle. In fact, I have no idea what a gay lifestyle is.

I think a gay lifestyle can be defined as when two people of the same sex engage in sexual relations or whhatever you want to call it............
 
Normal to what? You can't just is something normal and not say to what. Are the normal people yes are they the normal for this country in race. I think that is hard since there are so many races here. Are white the normal I think not anymore since many races have caught us there is no longer a normal but many are normal.

One more time... try to answer the question: are you using the words "average" and "normal" synonymously?
 
Well said. Which is exactly why believing they are born gay is a faith based belief and not something you base law upon.

Would you like me to provide the mountains of scientific evidence which blow your beliefs away?
 
you are shifting the topic...probably because your inconsistencies are being exposed.

You said that being outside the majority makes one abnormal. So you must view racial and religious minorities as abnormal then....right?

Its ok to say no. Just explain your inconsistencies if you do...that's all.

i repeat something that is not normal is not automatically abnormal
 
I didn't start this conversation with you Navy....you jumped into a conversation that was taking place between CC and Ptif that I was participating in as well....but nice try.

No No I never repond to a post you make.......I make it a rule to always let you put your foot in it first............nice trry though......:2wave:
 
I think a gay lifestyle can be defined as when two people of the same sex engage in sexual relations or whhatever you want to call it............

No, that defines one's sexual behavior. Heterosexuals do not define themselves by the gender of the person they have sex with. One's "lifestyle" encompasses far more than that.
 
i repeat something that is not normal is not automatically abnormal

Answer this question: are you using the words "average" and "normal" synonymously?
 
So, as I asked, are you using the words "average" and "normal" synonymously?

To a point but not the way you are thinking. You have to twist what I say to make a point. Look at my definition I linked does it say that?
 
No No I never repond to a post you make.......I make it a rule to always let you put your foot in it first............nice trry though......:2wave:

Once again Navy....the facts prove you wrong. When are you Republicans going to understand that the facts are what they are...you can't run from them...especially in these days of technology when all it takes is a couple clicks of a mouse to go back and see where you jumped into this conversation. :doh:doh:doh
 
If the "jury is out" then why are you stating with absolution that people are not born gay. Seems like you are being a little inconsistent here.

As its your opinion they are, its mine there not...........Your doing it again DD...lets get back on topic..........I wonder if I should cut and paste that so I would not have to say it every time you get off topic.........:roll:
 
To a point but not the way you are thinking. You have to twist what I say to make a point. Look at my definition I linked does it say that?

This is a rather easy "yes" or "no" question. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt here, that if you ARE using them synonymously, then what you are saying makes sense. If you are not, then it does not.
 
No, that defines one's sexual behavior. Heterosexuals do not define themselves by the gender of the person they have sex with. One's "lifestyle" encompasses far more than that.

Again we get bck to what is the norm.....If 99% of the people in this country are the norm then gays are very different............
 
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