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New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

Navy Pride said:
Sorry, never going to happen, honestly most of us believe gay marriage has very little to do with it..........the issue is forcing acceptance of the gay lifestyle down our throats..Making it the same as the straight lifestyle ......Gay marriage is just the first step in rying to accomplish that......
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Oh sheesh most of the youth don't even care these days. Just like in your day when most of the youth didn't care if people were black or white.
 
ptif219 said:
Where every state amendment vote stated that marriage is one man one woman. Here in Florida we have done it twice.
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Most recently the people California and Maine have struck down what activist judges said and determined Marriage is a union between a mna and a woman.........
 
Navy Pride said:
And its moving foward against Gay Marriage...........
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If South Africa, a country that is socially retarded, can pass gay marriage only 20 years after the apartheid. I have no doubt that within the next 20 years, this country will too. You are simply proven to be wrong. Society is progressing. Every concession that is made towards civil unions is one step towards gay marriage. Every smalls benefit gays are allowed to have is a giant move towards the ultimate goal.

Gay Marriage - Where is Gay Marriage Legal

Canada

* It is now legal for gays and lesbians to marry every place in Canada. There is no residency requirement for Canadian marriage, but that does not mean a Canadian gay marriage will be recognized by other countries.
How to Get Married in Canada

Europe

* Sweden became the seventh country to legalize same-sex marriage on April 1, 2009. Marriage licenses for same-sex couples became available beginning May 1, 2009. Couples who are currently in civil partnership can chose to keep that status or have it amended to marriage.

* Norway became the sixth country to legalize same-sex marriage on May 11, 2008.

* Netherlands (Holland) has full marriage and registered partnership rights for same sex or opposite sex couples.

* Belgium in 2003 became the second country in the world to allow gay and lesbian couples to marry. Since 2006, gay and lesbian couples have been allowed to adopt children.

* Spain voted in June 2005 to extend full marriage rights to gay and lesbian citizens. The measure adds one sentence to existing Spanish marriage law: Marriage will have the same requirements and results when the two people entering into the contract are of the same sex or of different sexes.

Africa

* South Africa legalized gay marriage on November 30th, 2006. South Africa has one of the most inclusive constitutions in the world, calling for equal rights for gays and lesbians.

The United States
In the United States gays and lesbians can legally marry in New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa, and Vermont.

New York, California, Rhode Island, New Mexico and Washington, DC recognize marriages by same-sex couples legally performed elsewhere.

California
# With the passage of Prop 8, gay and lesbian couples who were married between June and November 2008 are still legally married, but no new legal marriages can be performed in California.
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Europe
# Finland offers civil unions in which same-sex couples have similar rights to marriage, such as joint custody of children and immigration rights.
# France has a Civil Solidarity Pact which grants same or opposite sex partners rights of next of kin, inheritance, social security, and tax benefits.
# Iceland has allowed civil unions since 1996. Same-sex couples have the same rights as heterosexuals in adoption, parenting and assisted insemination treatment. No member of the parliament voted against the proposal. The law came into effect on June 27, 2006.
# Norway allows registered partnerships and grants the virtually all the protections, responsibilities and benefits as marriage.
# Portugal grants partnership rights to same and opposite sex couples. Partnership rights include next of kin, inheritance, property, social security and tax benefits.
# Denmark has registered partnerships for same sex couples. They are granted all the same rights as marriage.
# In Sweden civil unions have been allowed since 1995. Registered gay and lesbian couples receive many of the same rights as married heterosexual couples and are allowed to adopt children.
# Germany recognizes next of kin and property inheritance rights for same sex couples who register as partners.
# United Kingdom. Since December 2005 gays and lesbians in the United Kingdom have been eligible to register for Civil Partnerships. Gay and lesbian couples who register will receive some of the same rights as married couples, including accident compensation, life insurance, immigration, inheritance, spouse and child support and workplace benefits.
# Switzerland offers registered partnership with some of the benefits of marriage, but NOT adoption rights or the right to fertility treatments.
Elsewhere
# Israel. In December 2004, Israel announced it will give limited rights to same-sex couples. The attorney general has directed government offices to now recognize same-sex couples for monetary and property issues. The decision reverses a legal opinion that gay and lesbian couples cannot be sanctioned under Israeli law.
# New Zealand. As of December 2004, gay and lesbian couples will be able to register their unions in New Zealand and receive many of the same rights as heterosexual married couples. The law allows couples to have a ceremony and the right to claim next-of-kin status when a partner dies and have control over a partner's medical treatment.
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United States:

* New Jersey: On December 14, 2006 the New jersey legislature approved a bill allowing same-sex civil unions. Civil Unions became available in New Jersey in February 2007.

* California: Gay and lesbian couples can register as domestic partners in California. Couples who register are eligible for many of the same state rights as heterosexual married couples, but only in the state of California. The rights of civil unions do not transfer from state to state like marriage does.

* Hawaii offers reciprocal beneficiary rights to same-sex couples. Some of the rights granted are: inheritance without a will, ability to sue for the wrongful death, hospital visitation and health care decisions.

* Maine instituted a domestic partner registry in 2004. Maine's law mostly benefits couples if one dies: inheritance without a will, the right to make funeral arrangements and the ability to be named guardian if partner becomes incapacitated.

* Washington State offers registered gay and lesbian couples all the rights of marriage via domestic partnerships.

* Nevada domestic partnerships offer all of the same state wide benefits of marriage.

* Oregon offers a comprehensive domestic partnership law that offers all the state benefits of marriage.
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Navy Pride said:
Most recently the people California and Maine have struck down what activist judges said and determined Marriage is a union between a mna and a woman.........
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There were no activist judges, or any judges, in Maine who set up gay marriage, nor determined that marriage was between a man and a woman. The Maine legislature enacted a law, and the People's Veto repealed it.
 
winston53660 said:
Oh sheesh most of the youth don't even care these days. Just like in your day when most of the youth didn't care if people were black or white.
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Well when the youth grow up they realize the error in the ways.........The black or white thing is a cop out and to compare it to what blacks had to go through is totally ridiculous...........
 
American said:
How many times have you seen judges making conservative laws from the bench? Hmmm?
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All the time......why do you think Bush was so desperate to try to pack the court with right-wing activist Judges?
 
Charles Martel said:
Because it's a legislative initiative that's defining this issue, a voice from the We the People rather than a tiny court ruled over by activist judges or some city steps circus like the San Francisco Mayor pulled in SF.
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This is such a stupid argument. Even in cases where it is legislated, such as Maine or DC, the traditional marriage folks still come around and seek to overturn it. The judicial activism argument is dead. The argument now is "let the people vote on civil rights."


Frankly, same sex marriage is an inevitability in this country unless the traditional marriage folks can push through a federal amendment.
 
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jackalope said:
There were no activist judges, or any judges, in Maine who set up gay marriage, nor determined that marriage was between a man and a woman. The Maine legislature enacted a law, and the People's Veto repealed it.
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They still overruled politicians in Maine and the people spoke.........
 
ptif219 said:
Where every state amendment vote stated that marriage is one man one woman. Here in Florida we have done it twice.
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.....this is the same country with people who 40 years ago thought blacks weren't the same as whites. Trust me. Your appeal to popularity means little in the full spectrum.
 
Navy Pride said:
They still overruled politicians in Maine and the people spoke.........
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Yes, they did :(. It was pretty close, but not as close as I thought it would be. They did overrule the politicians, that's true.
 
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disneydude said:
All the time......why do you think Bush was so desperate to try to pack the court with right-wing activist Judges?
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Hatuey said:
.....this is the same country with people who 40 years ago thought blacks weren't the same as whites. Trust me. Your appeal to popularity means little in the full spectrum.
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That is a total cop out and you know it............
 
Navy Pride said:
Sorry, never going to happen, honestly most of us believe gay marriage has very little to do with it..........the issue is forcing acceptance of the gay lifestyle down our throats..Making it the same as the straight lifestyle ......Gay marriage is just the first step in rying to accomplish that......
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Sorry...Navy. The gay "lifestyle" is the same as the straight "lifestyle" whether you accept it or not.
No one is forcing anything down your throat. You are free to accept/respect another person's beliefs or not. That is your perogative. However, you should afford people the same option. Feeling that you are somehow entitled to more than anyone else and your unwillingness to afford others the right to their beliefs simply shows how shortsighted and intolerant you are.
 
jackalope said:
Yes, they did :(. It was pretty close, but not as close as I thought it would be. They did overrule the politicians, that's true.
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And don't forget Maine is one of our most Liberal state........I would bet that if they ever gave the people of Mass. a vote they would overturn actvist judgess too.........
 
disneydude said:
Sorry...Navy. The gay "lifestyle" is the same as the straight "lifestyle" whether you accept it or not.
No one is forcing anything down your throat. You are free to accept/respect another person's beliefs or not. That is your perogative. However, you should afford people the same option. Feeling that you are somehow entitled to more than anyone else and your unwillingness to afford others the right to their beliefs simply shows how shortsighted and intolerant you are.
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You lose again/still DD...You can't even win in your state the most liberal state in this country....give it up my left wing friend...............Gay marriage is a dead issue.........
 
CriticalThought said:
This is such a stupid argument. Even in cases where it is legislated, such as Maine or DC, the traditional marriage folks still come around and seek to overturn it. The judicial activism argument is dead. The argument now is "let the people vote on civil rights."


Frankly, same sex marriage is an inevitability in this country unless the traditional marriage folks can push through a federal amendment.
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Seems the states are doing a good job so far
 
Navy Pride said:
And don't forget Maine is one of our most Liberal state........I would bet that if they ever gave the people of Mass. a vote they would overturn actvist judgess too.........
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:no: Maine is not one of our most liberal states. It's pretty split in representation, and Independents outnumber both Democrats and Republicans in party affiliations.
 
winston53660 said:
I don't think any one group has exclusive rights to the word marriage.
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The word is not the issue, though. The concept is. The GM movement needs to remember this.
 
jackalope said:
:no: Maine is not one of our most liberal states. It's pretty split in representation, and Independents outnumber both Democrats and Republicans in party affiliations.
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I lived there stationed at Naval Station Brunswick Maine so don't try and tell me how liberal it is..........
 
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disneydude said:
Sorry...Navy. The gay "lifestyle" is the same as the straight "lifestyle" whether you accept it or not.
No one is forcing anything down your throat. You are free to accept/respect another person's beliefs or not. That is your perogative. However, you should afford people the same option. Feeling that you are somehow entitled to more than anyone else and your unwillingness to afford others the right to their beliefs simply shows how shortsighted and intolerant you are.
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They are infiltrating the schools and churches and it is not being forced on us?
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American said:
But they were pushing for that word, weren't they? It must be more than just a word to them then.
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I'm saying MY position on this. To me, the issue is more important than the word. And as I said, to me, what needs to occur is "marriage" needs to be out of government all together; all unions should be civil unions with "marriage" reserved for religion.
 
Navy Pride said:
You lose again/still DD...You can't even win in your state the most liberal state in this country....give it up my left wing friend...............Gay marriage is a dead issue.........
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You would like to believe that Navy....but you'd only be fooling yourself.
The tide is turning rapidly. Gay marriage is becoming a reality all over the world. The United States is always slower at these things than other countries...but you will see it even within you lifetime....and you take that to your bank....I guarantee it.
 
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