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More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say

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More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say (Update1) - Bloomberg.com


Jan. 6 (Bloomberg) -- As many as one in five former Guantanamo Bay detainees are suspected of or confirmed to have engaged in terrorist activity after their release, U.S. officials said, citing the latest government statistics.

The 20 percent rate is an increase over the 14 percent of former inmates that an April Pentagon report said were thought to have joined terrorist efforts, said the officials, who requested anonymity. The officials didn’t provide the numbers on which the 20 percent is based.

The increase adds a complication to President Barack Obama’s efforts to close the detention facility for terrorist suspects at the naval base in Cuba, a national security analyst said.



So shoud we close it as planned? 20 percent is very high. Is it best to move these guys to CONUS? What say you?
 
Mass grave...just kidding....sorta. OCONUS is good for me. We could have them help us with some new experiments at Bikini Atoll.
 
Leave Gitmo open, we should not allow the scum in our country....;)
 
This is just more proof we should have never detained them, of course they want revenge for the violations of their civil rights!
 
This is just more proof we should have never detained them, of course they want revenge for the violations of their civil rights!

There is some amount of truth to that. Certainly there were terrorists in GITMO, but we picked them up and had people turn in others for rewards and such; so not all the people there were terrorists. We took no precaution as to which group we snatched and threw in prison with no means of defense. Those who may not have been terrorists were first kidnapped basically and unlawfully imprisoned and were in contract then with actual terrorists. It is not inconceivable that when released, some that were not terrorists would resort to such as a method of retribution.
 
If you're going to torture people, releasing them so they can return to their homelands and terrorist organizations is probably a bad idea. They have lots of fresh propaganda to relay back to their people, about the tales of torture chambers in U.S. detainment camps.

Neither Bush nor Obama ever followed through by creating a special court system to deal with non-state actors such as terrorists. They both used one of two pre-existing systems: the military "enemy combatant" system, or the civil system, and neither is really applicable to terrorists since they aren't representatives of a specific nation or U.S. citizens.
 
Deal with them the old school way. Get what you need info wise, then shoot em.
 
So shoud we close it as planned? 20 percent is very high. Is it best to move these guys to CONUS? What say you?

“We have never been able to confirm the DOD’s numbers,” said Stacy Sullivan, a counterterrorism adviser at Human Rights Watch, a New York-based group critical of the Guantanamo facility. “The Pentagon’s numbers appear to be both wildly inaccurate and inflated.”

More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say (Update2) - Bloomberg.com
 
There is some amount of truth to that. Certainly there were terrorists in GITMO, but we picked them up and had people turn in others for rewards and such; so not all the people there were terrorists. We took no precaution as to which group we snatched and threw in prison with no means of defense. Those who may not have been terrorists were first kidnapped basically and unlawfully imprisoned and were in contract then with actual terrorists. It is not inconceivable that when released, some that were not terrorists would resort to such as a method of retribution.

Very true. But before we can say much for sure, we need numbers verified and some study as to what actually happened. No matter what we do in the meantime, we should try to actually figure out what happened.
 
I always find it funny when a side agrees with numbers from the government on something that thier agenda supports but disagree with the numbers from the government on things that thier agenda disagrees with.
 
“We have never been able to confirm the DOD’s numbers,” said Stacy Sullivan, a counterterrorism adviser at Human Rights Watch, a New York-based group critical of the Guantanamo facility. “The Pentagon’s numbers appear to be both wildly inaccurate and inflated.”

More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say (Update2) - Bloomberg.com
Let's see, let's balance on the one hand, the intelligence resources of the Pentagon, against those of the "Human Rights" Watch on the other.

OK, the adults will be finished with this question now.
 
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I always find it funny when a side agrees with numbers from the government on something that thier agenda supports but disagree with the numbers from the government on things that thier agenda disagrees with.





The number is irrellevant, the fact that its happening at all should be concerning.
 
So shoud we close it as planned? 20 percent is very high. Is it best to move these guys to CONUS? What say you?
"As many as one in five former Guantanamo Bay detainees are suspected of or confirmed to have engaged in terrorist activity after their release..."
Dooh, and because of this you want to hold 80% innocnt people without charges or trial?

Doesn't sound very 'libertarian' to me, are you sure you are not 'very conservative'?
 
There is some amount of truth to that. Certainly there were terrorists in GITMO, but we picked them up and had people turn in others for rewards and such; so not all the people there were terrorists. We took no precaution as to which group we snatched and threw in prison with no means of defense. Those who may not have been terrorists were first kidnapped basically and unlawfully imprisoned and were in contract then with actual terrorists. It is not inconceivable that when released, some that were not terrorists would resort to such as a method of retribution.

Apparently, that would be somewhere between 14 and 20 percent of the ones we released. :doh
 
"As many as one in five former Guantanamo Bay detainees are suspected of or confirmed to have engaged in terrorist activity after their release..."
Dooh, and because of this you want to hold 80% innocnt people without charges or trial?

Doesn't sound very 'libertarian' to me, are you sure you are not 'very conservative'?



Selective cherrypicking FAIL :lol:



yes I am an American Libertarian who is personally very conservative. We can talk about my Greatness all you want. I'm used to it. :thumbs....
 
Apparently, that would be somewhere between 14 and 20 percent of the ones we released.
Suspected by government sources, apparently.
 
Deal with them the old school way. Get what you need info wise, then shoot em.

But surely even then your going to need some sort of procedure. Given that there have already been a number of innocent people detained already, (Benyamin Mohamed Mozam beck etc.) Its surprising to see conservatives give the state license to kill (no pun intended) whomever it sees fit.
 
Selective cherrypicking FAIL :lol:
Nope, I am not "cherrypicking", just highlighting a crucial part you apparently overlooked.
The 20% is an estimate.
How many have been confirmed, do you know? :2wave:
 
But surely even then your going to need some sort of procedure. ...
Nope, not when hate-fueled US fascists are in charge, but thankfully they are not. ;)
 
Nope, I am not "cherrypicking", just highlighting a crucial part you apparently overlooked.
The 20% is an estimate.
How many have been confirmed, do you know? :2wave:




And I highlighted a crucial part YOU overlooked.


Even if its 1% there is a problem. :shrug:
 
No, I did not overlook it, *sigh*, once more; the 20% is an estimate.

Yes, even 1% would be a problem, what about the 99% innocents you would want to keep locked up because of the 1%?
Care to address this central point I have raised?
 
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