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Oh come on, I barely go a day without hearing someone whinge about taxes in this country.

Perhaps if people weren't so politically apathetic we *could* have things like NHS, the Shinkansen, 35 hour work weeks, etc.

35 hour work weeks? LOL. I work about 60, and it's not a big deal. I actually enjoy it. Check out the implosion of once great nations like England, France, Germany, and Spain since they resorted to letting their citizens live on vacation. They now are permantly at the teet of the U.S.

I will pay for my government to build a military. I will pay for roads, phone lines, sewage, electrical grids, oil exploration, etc.

Beyond that, there is basically no need for our governmen to collect anything further from its citizens. Everything government has ever touched has gone bankrupt (Fannie, Freddie, Medicare, Social Security, US Postal Service, etc, etc, etc)
 
How many of those roads are people going to use to get from point A to B?

Well to get to school, I have about 2 equivalent options (this is the bottleneck of my options, in effect). However, with traffic being the way it is, I could venture that privately run roads we give me even more options.
 
35 hour work weeks? LOL. I work about 60, and it's not a big deal. I actually enjoy it. Check out the implosion of once great nations like England, France, Germany, and Spain since they resorted to letting their citizens live on vacation. They now are permantly at the teet of the U.S.

:rofl Their dependence on the US (which is diminishing over time) was due to a little thing called WWII.

I will pay for my government to build a military. I will pay for roads, phone lines, sewage, electrical grids, oil exploration, etc.

Beyond that, there is basically no need for our governmen to collect anything further from its citizens. Everything government has ever touched has gone bankrupt (Fannie, Freddie, Medicare, Social Security, US Postal Service, etc, etc, etc)

There is in fact a need for it.
 
NHS = Britain
Shinkansen = Japan

I would argue that much of their social instability is the source of their eutopianism - if the government doesn't do something they like or does something they don't, they get fired up about it. Unlike here.

I know that those programs weren't all France, but the main example of this type of nanny state is France. In France they don't have the utopia that inteventionism and social welfare programs promised.
 
:rofl Their dependence on the US (which is diminishing over time) was due to a little thing called WWII.

I forget. Who produced most of the war goods for the allies during WWII?
 
Well to get to school, I have about 2 equivalent options (this is the bottleneck of my options, in effect). However, with traffic being the way it is, I could venture that privately run roads we give me even more options.

People are going to use the most direct roads to get betweenany two points, thus the number you can build is actually limited. This eliminates competition as an incentive to keep them up to date and in good order.

That is the problem with privatization of such things - the lowest common denominator tends to become the norm, just as with treatment of employees.
 
I know that those programs weren't all France, but the main example of this type of nanny state is France. In France they don't have the utopia that inteventionism and social welfare programs promised.

They do, in fact. Excellent healthcare, workplace legislation, infrastructure, etc. Because the government there has the incentive to *deliver* on social welfare and infrastructre.
 
:rofl Their dependence on the US (which is diminishing over time) was due to a little thing called WWII.

France produces nothing. Their best and brightest come here in order to avoid the "state" meddling in their ideas and innovations.
 
France produces nothing. Their best and brightest come here in order to avoid the "state" meddling in their ideas and innovations.

France produces much of its materiel - not to mention their films are superior due to government subsidization. :lol:
 
People are going to use the most direct roads to get betweenany two points, thus the number you can build is actually limited. This eliminates competition as an incentive to keep them up to date and in good order.

That's a bold-faced lie. You're basing that on nothing. If that was the case, people would take roads most of the time instead of freeways because roads, by virtue that there are more of them, are going to be more direct than freeways. Yet still, for the most part, people take freeways over roads. Why? Because they're faster. With private roads, instead of time being the determinant, you'll have time and price being determinants.

That is the problem with privatization of such things - the lowest common denominator tends to become the norm, just as with treatment of employees.

Another poster who doesn't understand competition.
 
:rofl
Their dependence on the US (which is diminishing over time) was due to a little thing called WWII.

That's true, it diminished greatly after we freed them.....;)


There is in fact a need for it.

How this country survived the first 150 years of it's existence with out these programs is a mystery to me......;)
 
They do, in fact. Excellent healthcare, workplace legislation, infrastructure, etc. Because the government there has the incentive to *deliver* on social welfare and infrastructre.

Why is there so much social unrest, then? It's not utopia.
 
France produces nothing. Their best and brightest come here in order to avoid the "state" meddling in their ideas and innovations.
I will give them a lot of credit for the French Foreign Legion. The irony is, of course, that their most elite fighting force is staffed by foreigners ...
 
That's a bold-faced lie. You're basing that on nothing. If that was the case, people would take roads most of the time instead of freeways because roads, by virtue that there are more of them, are going to be more direct than freeways. Yet still, for the most part, people take freeways over roads. Why? Because they're faster. With private roads, instead of time being the determinant, you'll have time and price being determinants.

True, speed is a factor, but the point remains. Privatize roads and you just end up with a monopoly that leaves much to be desired with no means for the consumers to change it.

Another poster who doesn't understand competition.

Funny that, it's the laissez faire monkeys who don't understand that competition can only survive in a regulated environment. Otherwise you get corporate oligarchy where only the executives benefit and everyone else suffers.

Lets hope you have your Buy N Large shares purchased in advance. :2wave:
 
True, speed is a factor, but the point remains. Privatize roads and you just end up with a monopoly that leaves much to be desired with no means for the consumers to change it.

I just showed you how there would be competition! You can't just deny that without an argument. You're being dishonest.

Funny that, it's the laissez faire monkeys who don't understand that competition can only survive in a regulated environment. Otherwise you get corporate oligarchy where only the executives benefit and everyone else suffers.

Lets hope you have your Buy N Large shares purchased in advance. :2wave:

If this is the case, why do skilled workers get paid more than unskilled workers?
 
Why is there so much social unrest, then? It's not utopia.

As said, much of their social unrest guarantees the success of their infrastructure - keeps the government under the hammer so to speak.

The other half of it is due to poorly integrated cultural minorities that stir up **** because they can't drop their archaic blood faith and embrace Enlightenment attitudes.
 
As said, much of their social unrest guarantees the success of their infrastructure - keeps the government under the hammer so to speak.

The other half of it is due to poorly integrated cultural minorities that stir up **** because they can't drop their archaic blood faith and embrace Enlightenment attitudes.

Does poverty still exist there?
 
I just showed you how there would be competition! You can't just deny that without an argument. You're being dishonest.

If a private monopoly controls the most convienient routes between point A and B, another company is pretty much unable to compete because the roads they contruct are less convienient and thus will not see as much use as the more convienient ones.

Capitalism is not the answer to everything.

If this is the case, why do skilled workers get paid more than unskilled workers?

Because we live in a regulated economy and not a Laissez Faire one? :lol: Not to mention there is a cap on how unskilled your workers can be before they become financially undesirable.
 
Does poverty still exist there?

Yup, but last I checked France was 5 spots ahead of the US on the HDI.

Poverty will exist no matter what, the goal is to provide the opportunity for people to move out of poverty as easily as possible if they so desire.
 
Least we aren't fragmenting because our party has been half in bed with the Christian Right since the 70s. :rofl
No you just have the Blue Dogs kicking you in the crotch, no big deal.
 
Correction: the party is losing popular support because Middle Americans don't want to *pay* for a nanny state, being the typical greedy consumers that are the product of heartless American capitalism.

Pardon the diatribe.




Middle class Americans are Greedy because they don't want to pay for benefits to others? FAIL
 
If a private monopoly controls the most convienient routes between point A and B, another company is pretty much unable to compete because the roads they contruct are less convienient and thus will not see as much use as the more convienient ones.

Capitalism is not the answer to everything.



Because we live in a regulated economy and not a Laissez Faire one? :lol: Not to mention there is a cap on how unskilled your workers can be before they become financially undesirable.
What do you think would be?
 
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