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Report: Rush Limbaugh taken to Hawaii hospital

Manc Skipper said:
Take your pick.

hospital dumps patients - Google Search
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Not sure about specifics on these cases, but tell me, once a patient no longer meets inpatient criteria and is ready to be discharged from the hospital, are they (hospital personnel) required to also follow that patient through life and fix every and all personal and social problems under the sun?

Believe me, when a patient is homeless they get approached by social services while in the hospital. And if they refuse help what next? Should we allow them to remain in the hospital just to keep a roof over their head, taking up a bed that would be needed by another? Are our resources unlimited?
 
Captain America said:
I hope his ticker holds up for many years to come (although, an occasional case of larnygitis (sp?) would be welcomed now and again. :mrgreen:)
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Or you could just tune your radio dial over to another station. :lol:

I am a tree hugger, and that's about the only place we differ, though.
 
ptif219 said:
You mean Like MRS. Obama is doing in Chicago?


U. of C. shunning poor patients? :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: 44: Barack Obama


Sen. Barack Obama's wife and three close advisers have been involved with a program at the University of Chicago Medical Center that steers patients who don't have private insurance -- primarily poor, black people -- to other health care facilities.

Michelle Obama -- currently on unpaid leave from her $317,000-a-year job as a vice president of the prestigious hospital -- helped create the program, which aims to find neighborhood doctors for low-income people who were flooding the emergency room for basic treatment. Hospital officials say such patients hinder their ability to focus on more critically ill patients in need of specialized care, such as cancer treatment and organ transplants.
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It sounds like a much needed program she started. A big problem in ERs are people who use it as a clinic. It clogs ERs with babies with temperatures and people with stomach aches. So, the people happened to be Black. The same thing happens in White communities.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
It sounds like a much needed program she started. A big problem in ERs are people who use it as a clinic. It clogs ERs with babies with temperatures and people with stomach aches. So, the people happened to be Black. The same thing happens in White communities.
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Tell me about it. Last February after my wife fractured her wrist and cracked a few ribs, the emergency room was a madhouse. The place was clogged with snotty nosed kids with colds and people sitting around with no medical ailments. They pushed my wife out to the waiting room because no beds were available. She was in terrible pain, complicated by the fact that she is allergic to all kinds of drugs, especially pain medicine. She finally had to fake a breathing problem just so they would give her a bed. I suppose our experience is the forebear of socialized health care. Get ready folks. It ain't pretty. :(
 
j-mac said:
Rush is in the business of Rush. IOW, self promotion, and he is masterful at it. He doesn't have to show what you or I think constitutes "class".....


j-mac
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You're right he doesn't.

But I doubt many people are going to buy that he didn't receive special treatment.
 
bicycleman said:
Tell me about it. Last February after my wife fractured her wrist and cracked a few ribs, the emergency room was a madhouse. The place was clogged with snotty nosed kids with colds and people sitting around with no medical ailments. They pushed my wife out to the waiting room because no beds were available. She was in terrible pain, complicated by the fact that she is allergic to all kinds of drugs, especially pain medicine. She finally had to fake a breathing problem just so they would give her a bed. I suppose our experience is the forebear of socialized health care. Get ready folks. It ain't pretty. :(
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In the United Kingdom has busy ERs too, but no more than the U.S.. Their whole system is generally more comprehensive, but they, too, have limited resources.

The point is, if people have primary care providers (PCPs), those clinics keep open blocks of time each day for people who need to be seen by a doctor for acute illnesses such as flu, eye infections, twisted ankles, and other non-emergencies. This is ultimately more economical for the system as a whole, and leaves the ERs free to deal with stabbings, shootings, chest pain, MVAs, acute intoxication, head injuries, strokes, heart arrhythmias, altered mental status, and the rest.
 
bicycleman said:
Tell me about it. Last February after my wife fractured her wrist and cracked a few ribs, the emergency room was a madhouse. The place was clogged with snotty nosed kids with colds and people sitting around with no medical ailments. They pushed my wife out to the waiting room because no beds were available. She was in terrible pain, complicated by the fact that she is allergic to all kinds of drugs, especially pain medicine. She finally had to fake a breathing problem just so they would give her a bed. I suppose our experience is the forebear of socialized health care. Get ready folks. It ain't pretty. :(
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People sitting around with no medical ailments?? How would you know that? (unless they're waiting for someone else) I've went through the drill a couple of times. Sometimes the physical distress does not equal the seriousness of the problem. However, it really is a bitch if your wife is allergic to pain pills. However, few people die of cracked ribs and fractured wrists. Just like I can tell you that you usually don't die of kidney stones, but those ****ers are a bitch! :shock: Sometimes you just got to wait your turn.

I'm not sure how all this adds up to the experience of socialized health care.
 
Ziggae_6 said:
People sitting around with no medical ailments?? How would you know that? (unless they're waiting for someone else) I've went through the drill a couple of times. Sometimes the physical distress does not equal the seriousness of the problem. However, it really is a bitch if your wife is allergic to pain pills. However, few people die of cracked ribs and fractured wrists. Just like I can tell you that you usually don't die of kidney stones, but those ****ers are a bitch! :shock: Sometimes you just got to wait your turn.

I'm not sure how all this adds up to the experience of socialized health care.
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It adds up to a disorganized healthcare system where folks don't have PCPs and go to the ER for constipation and colds. :rolleyes:
 
MyOwnDrum said:
It adds up to a disorganized healthcare system where folks don't have PCPs and go to the ER for constipation and colds. :rolleyes:
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I'd agree with that. Going to my Doc's office is always 10 times easier than the ER and usually costs a lot less. Plus its nice to see a Doc that actually knows you and cares enough to follow up.
 
Perhaps the gubberment oughta take some of that bribe money they're giving the states to vote for this healthcare thing and give it to a buttload of talented young students instead so they can graduate medical school and then they can return the investment by serving at gov't. sponsored local urgent care mini-hospitals, for a modest/comfortable income, until their college debt has been paid off with service. Perhaps that would kill several birds with one stone. Curb high education costs on deserving minds, increase our supply of doctors and well-care clinics, thus relieving the hospitals the burden of having to wade through all the stuffy noses and broken ribs.

Just a thought.....
 
Captain America said:
Perhaps the gubberment oughta take some of that bribe money they're giving the states to vote for this healthcare thing and give it to a buttload of talented young students instead so they can graduate medical school and then they can return the investment by serving at gov't. sponsored local urgent care mini-hospitals, for a modest/comfortable income, until their college debt has been paid off with service. Perhaps that would kill several birds with one stone. Curb high education costs on deserving minds, increase our supply of doctors and well-care clinics, thus relieving the hospitals the burden of having to wade through all the stuffy noses and broken ribs.

Just a thought.....
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Doctors aren't going to allow that, their rarity value contributes to their status and to their earnings. (not necessarily in that order) They will insist that they cannot cope with training increased numbers without detriment to their patients.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Question did you read any of the links if you had then you would know that they are under investigation and nothing has yet to be proven and at least one link is about a a Hospital in India:doh
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Did you read past the first one?

" May 31, 2008|Richard Winton, Times Staff Writer
Hollywood Presbyterian Medical Center on Friday settled allegations that it left a paraplegic man crawling around downtown Los Angeles' skid row in a hospital gown and with a colostomy bag by agreeing to pay $1 million and be monitored by a former U.S. attorney for up to five years.

The resolution of the lawsuit marks the biggest settlement so far in the Los Angeles city attorney's efforts to crack down on hospitals and other institutions that "dump" patients on skid row. "

The third link...
" Diana Bonta, vice president of public affairs for Kaiser Southern California, said the hospital attempted to find a shelter for Reyes, but when that failed, it was determined that she would be taken to the Union Rescue Mission. Hospital officials are trying to find out why Reyes, who was in the hospital after suffering a bad fall, was left on the street still wearing her hospital gown and slippers.

The incident violated hospital policy and will not occur again, she said.

"We have a policy of treating our patients with compassion and care," Bonta said. "This should not have happened."

Andy Bales, president the Union Rescue Mission, where Reyes remained, said the incident was the third in the past week in which security cameras caught taxis dropping people in the area. ... "
 
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Toothpicvic said:
Like they do now (in the US at least)? :confused:
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That's what I said. We have a disorganized healthcare system, where people don't have PCPs and use ERs as clinics. That's what we were discussing.
 
Manc Skipper said:
No, YOU mean that. The fact that the program does not, speaks volumes. That and the unusual sight of an avowed "very conservative" showing such weakness as professing concern for the poor as against the rich.
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So then you have a double standard. It is not about turning the poor away but who turns the poor away.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
It sounds like a much needed program she started. A big problem in ERs are people who use it as a clinic. It clogs ERs with babies with temperatures and people with stomach aches. So, the people happened to be Black. The same thing happens in White communities.
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They were poor so she wants them to go to free clinics and leave her beds for those who can pay.
 
bicycleman said:
Tell me about it. Last February after my wife fractured her wrist and cracked a few ribs, the emergency room was a madhouse. The place was clogged with snotty nosed kids with colds and people sitting around with no medical ailments. They pushed my wife out to the waiting room because no beds were available. She was in terrible pain, complicated by the fact that she is allergic to all kinds of drugs, especially pain medicine. She finally had to fake a breathing problem just so they would give her a bed. I suppose our experience is the forebear of socialized health care. Get ready folks. It ain't pretty. :(
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It will only get worse. My 36 year old son is autistic and on medicaid. He has to go to the county health department. He has had a cough for 3 months now, we have taken him in several times. We are told it is a virus should go away.

This is why they go to emergency rooms the medicaid doctors are overwhelmed and get paid almost nothing and it is reflected in the inferior care they get.
 
ptif219 said:
So then you have a double standard. It is not about turning the poor away but who turns the poor away.
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Nobody "turns the poor away" they are directed to more appropriate, even better care.
 
ptif219 said:
They were poor so she wants them to go to free clinics and leave her beds for those who can pay.
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That is a misrepresentation... not a surprise from you. What she wanted was people to have PCP's so ER's wouldn't be clogged with folks with stuffy noses, so the ERs could treat folks with issues like heart attacks.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
That is a misrepresentation... not a surprise from you. What she wanted was people to have PCP's so ER's wouldn't be clogged with folks with stuffy noses, so the ERs could treat folks with issues like heart attacks.
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Poor people who could not afford doctors. The same people Obama says need health insurance while his Wife turns them away.
 
ptif219 said:
Poor people who could not afford doctors. The same people Obama says need health insurance while his Wife turns them away.
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Are you going to keep misrepresenting this, or are you going to discuss this issue honestly? I'm just curious.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
That is a misrepresentation... not a surprise from you. .
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Do us all a favor and change your name. The hypocrisy is getting a little too much.

That is a misrepresentation... not a surprise from you. What she wanted was people to have PCP's so ER's wouldn't be clogged with folks with stuffy noses, so the ERs could treat folks with issues like heart attacks.
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Exactly how is it a misrepresentation?

Who has better facilities, a clinic or a hospital?

Who has more doctors and specialists on hand? A clinic or a hospital?

Did you even read the article?

Before you make another conceited statement about discussing this point honestly, please answer the 3 questions.
 
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