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Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

apdst said:
But, not in practical experience. Actual, "street smarts"--for lack of a better term--trumps most factors.

Picture yourself working in a field. You have two colleagues to whom you can turn for advice. One has 30 years of experience, the other has 5 years. Which one's opinion would you trust more?
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Whichever one isn't a moron.

I would take the word of an intelligent and thoughtful 18 year old over an idiotic 60 year old every time.

texmaster said:
Quite some time? We knew that day on live news and in articles the next day. Where are you getting such misinformation?

Again completely false. We knew what he shouted and what people had said about his attitude, his dress and his opinions. We also knew he tried extremely hard to get out of service overseas.
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If you're going to get all angry, try rereading my post and understanding what I was saying. I was not saying that we did not find out that information relatively quickly. What I was saying is that we did not find that information out for several hours - until long after people like apdst were calling this guy a terrorist.

If you go back and actually read the thread, you'll see that people like him were blaming this on Islamic terrorism when the only thing we knew was the guy's name.

So what? The soldier's actions alone showed his intentions.
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And the guy who shot up his workplace 2 days after the Fort Hood incident? You could tell that that wasn't terrorism just based on his name?

So are shootings where Allahu Akbar is shouted.

But please continue digging a hole for yourself. List all the non terrorist shootings where Allahu Akbar was shouted and it wasn't Islamic Terrorism. :roll:
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Try paying attention to what we're talking about. Again, the issue is not whether the guy said allah akbar. It's that people were calling this islamic terrorism hours before we knew that he said that.

BTW, just to blow away your excuses about how slow we got information on this, here is an article posted the next day with the Islamic terrorist's name.
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Jesus christ dude - I posted an article with the guy's name about 3 hours after it happened. You really don't seem to get the point.
 
apdst said:
If a whit soldier killed two+ minority soldiers--since two seems to be the starting point of a mass killing--and that solder was a bonefide member of the KKK or Skinheads; would you have any doubt that the killings were racially motivated? Or, would you take the same wait and see attitude?
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The point is that you didn't know **** about his affiliations before you were willing to label him a terrorist. You saw a terroristy-name and that was all you needed. ****, I doubt you even needed that.
 
Arch Enemy said:
So the rhetoric of the violator defines the actions? That's a bit bizarre.
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The rhetoric can give you a clue when investigating. And that rhetoric points to the man being a devout Muslim. My my...but then aren't the 5 from northern Va imprisoned in Pakistan devout Muslims? What of the 9-11 hijackers? The USS Cole bombers? All of al-Qaeda, everyone of the Taliban, every Palestinian bus bomber, as a matter of fact, it's every two bit dictator in the ME....is a devout Muslim. The common denominator so clear and obvious, one would have to be well...bizarre to miss it.

What you are trying to say is that what the Fort Hood shooter said, is more important than what he did.
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I'm saying his final words spoken by many a radical Islamist prior to their final actions reveal a fairly obvious common denominator here. Ain't like you gotta be Sherlock Holmes to figure that out.

No religions inspire to kill.
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Asleep in history class?

No religions kill.
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Correct, man kills in the name of religion and inspired by that religion in many cases.

No religions inspire.
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:shock:I go to Church every sunday and sit next to people inspired by religion, I've seen it do good in places you've never heard of. You're really incorrect here.

Only people are capable of being inspired, and inspire to kill.
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Then religion is used...by people to inspire, how about that? Good enough? Cause, it's being used by people...on people right now. Are you blind to this?
 
jackalope said:
Karl Rove is a prick.


Didn't want to disappoint :2wave:
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I think anyone who points out the truth about this President, or his administration is, in the eyes of the true followers.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
I think anyone who points out the truth about this President, or his administration is, in the eyes of the true followers.


j-mac
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Well I find the Obama faithful to be more annoying than the Bush faithful, but less dangerous.
 
Grim17 said:
When it comes to the problem with how the Obama administration is handling this issue, Karl Rove nails it.

RealClearPolitics - Video - Karl Rove Reacts To Obama Speech On Attempted Terror Attack

Let's see how many people here respond to the actual video, and how many attack Karl Rove.
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Karl Rove is a political operative/campaign manager. He's the man behind the worst President in modern history. He's been out of the loop for some time. His opinion is irrelevant.

That being said, let's look at the video...

First of all, he was not a "security advisor", he was a dirty-tricks politics planner behind W. Firing of attorneys, smear campaigns, the daily call to Roger Avery, that sort of thing.

He makes one good point about Amsterdam, then he goes right to the strawman, misrepresenting Obama's speech.

"Isolated Extremist" does not mean lone wolf or rogue agent. Rove, the partisan hack, immediately tries to attack the President's speech by rewriting it, implying a new meaning. Let's face it, Obama could have taken a similar speech from W., inserted new names and dates, and Rove would still have attacked. It's meaningless hackery.

This is what's wrong with Fox news. Instead of finding a real expert with a relevant opinion, they drag out Karl Rove's sorry ass as if anything he says on this subject matter is relevant or meaningful. If/When Rahm Emanuel starts firing attorneys or engaging in some other partisan abuse of authority, THEN they should call on Rove to comment.

Wow, Grim, I got to have my cake and eat it too. I attacked Rove, shredded the video, and, the icing on the cake, pointed out how Fox News continues to function as an extension of the GOP.

Thank you for that opportunity.:2wave:
 
Captain America said:
The article I read suggested this p.o.s. was a loner who just wanted to claim AQ affiliations. Typically, Nigerian's aren't too bright, are they? In fact, the only people I know, generally speaking, that are dumber than them are the people who fall for their internet email scams (which, if I understand it right, is a major source of income for that country.)

I hope they cut his nuts off and then hang him. I'm just FULL of Christmas spirit today! :mrgreen:

Oooo-Rah.
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why feel the need to disparage nigerians? i hear cheeseheads aren't too bright.......

You might be from Wisconsin if...
 
Ikari said:
And proving my point in no time flat....j-mac!
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Proving your point about what exactly? That you made an inane statement that could be applied broadly to our enemy as well? Even though you were pointing it inward? Don't be foolish.


j-mac
 
hazlnut said:
Karl Rove is a political operative/campaign manager. He's the man behind the worst President in modern history. He's been out of the loop for some time. His opinion is irrelevant.

That being said, let's look at the video...

First of all, he was not a "security advisor", he was a dirty-tricks politics planner behind W. Firing of attorneys, smear campaigns, the daily call to Roger Avery, that sort of thing.

He makes one good point about Amsterdam, then he goes right to the strawman, misrepresenting Obama's speech.

"Isolated Extremist" does not mean lone wolf or rogue agent. Rove, the partisan hack, immediately tries to attack the President's speech by rewriting it, implying a new meaning. Let's face it, Obama could have taken a similar speech from W., inserted new names and dates, and Rove would still have attacked. It's meaningless hackery.

This is what's wrong with Fox news. Instead of finding a real expert with a relevant opinion, they drag out Karl Rove's sorry ass as if anything he says on this subject matter is relevant or meaningful. If/When Rahm Emanuel starts firing attorneys or engaging in some other partisan abuse of authority, THEN they should call on Rove to comment.

Wow, Grim, I got to have my cake and eat it too. I attacked Rove, shredded the video, and, the icing on the cake, pointed out how Fox News continues to function as an extension of the GOP.

Thank you for that opportunity.:2wave:
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You all make my criticism of you sooooooo easy.

Thank you.
 
j-mac said:
Proving your point about what exactly? That you made an inane statement that could be applied broadly to our enemy as well? Even though you were pointing it inward? Don't be foolish.


j-mac
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Fear mongering to excuse current policy which does nothing to actually solve the problem. Well more dangerous that some fools who bought into a politicians lies about hope and change.
 
Ikari said:
Fear mongering to excuse current policy which does nothing to actually solve the problem. Well more dangerous that some fools who bought into a politicians lies about hope and change.
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Examples of fear mongering would be.....? And then "current policy" would be.....what?
 
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the president interrupted his golf game in hawaii monday

he raced the entire presidential motorcade across oahu

ambulances and packs of cop cars surrounded the presidential retreat

turns out one of the president's golf partners has a child who cracked open his or her chin on a surfboard

he or she, contrary to intial reports, did not require stitches

so president obtuse, after having halted honolulu for some hours and freaking out the cables, stays his vacation for a minute, 3 days in

he wants now to address the attempt by mr farouk to assassinate 300 innocents on Christmas, only a blown fuse away

obama announces in hawaii---he has a plan

after sending ms napolitano on the sunday talks to claim everything went like clockwork, he's now considered more deeply the danger, evidently, cuz he's suddenly resolved that changes must be made---

no blankets on laps the last hour

now, there's some executive deciding, crisis management

except 24 hours later he gave everybody back their blankets

he wants to "review procedures"

that's all he ever does, review

gonna have a summit

listen to all the stewardesses and baggage handlers bitch

maybe put together a power point presentation

obama is such an amateur

worse, he LOOKS so amateur

making it all up as he goes

totally unprepared

in way over his head

NOT gonna close gitmo

msnbc is questioning this morning if released former detainees from our prison in cuba might be orchestrating all this action in yemen

there might be a fort hood connection---if, in fact, it turns out mr farouk was, like hasan, in correspondence with mr aulaqi, recently reported killed in a drone attack

why no movement to thomson yet?

when?

what's his POLICY?

what's going on with the cia prosecutions?

nothing?

why don't we know?

obama calls mr farouk an "isolated extremist"

the same day mr farouk himself says he was sent

the same day aq in yemen claim responsibility

when's holder gonna haul ksm before judge judy on nbc/manhattan?

and how exactly is he to handle this latest hard luck jihadist?

the administration has been dangerously murky on these questions

was mr farouk read his rights?

was he LAWYERED UP?

today, nonplussed napolitano announced---no indication of a larger plot

aq disagrees

this entire admin is clueless
 
And the inept Sec. of Homeland Security says all worked fine.


j-mac
 
you're cheap
 
Arch Enemy said:
Internationally, which is what we are talking about, the problem is less with Arabs and more with homegrown Terrorism, as seen in Russia, Mumbai, and London.
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And who's idea of Islam do they seek to covet? Sunni Arabism. The same garbage that slaughters non-Sunni Arabs in Sudan and non-Sunni Arabs in Iraq. The same garbage that preaches violence in literally thousands of Sunni Arab sponsered Madrasas between Cairo and Islamabad and in Europe.

Bashir = Sunni Arab
Hussein = Sunni Arab
Al-Queda = Sunni Arabs
House of Saud = Sunni Arabs
Qutb = Sunni Arab
Muslim Brotherhood = Sunni Arabs
Wahhabi = Sunni Arab

Etcetera.

The Sunni Arab is the great oppressor and brutalizer of the Middle East. There is a clear pattern. They are fond of talking about western imperialism and we ourselves love to self flagilate, but Sunni Arabs have been masters of imperializing their own into tribal allegiance long before The Ottoman Empire rolled across Europe.


Arch Enemy said:
Would you expect another attack in India to be perpetrated by Pakistanis or Yemenis?
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Don't confuse what I stated as an absolute. What occurs between Pakistan and India is border instigated. India's attackers is India's problem to settle. They want our help, fine. But our problem is the Sunni Arab across the region and their fanatic base.

Marines in the Philippines since 9/11 have fought Sunni Arab loyalists. In Chad, Somalia, and Ethiopia? Sunni Arab loyalists. The sooner we start looking at them as one Islamic nation and then as separate tribes, the better it will be because it means we will finally look at their world through their eyes. The vast majority of all Muslims are unwittingly victims of forced loyalty towards a the Sunni Arabic tribe rather than God.
 
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