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Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

What about guys that look this? Think it would have made a difference if these dudes never got on a commercial aircraft?

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The upper right one looks like a cousin of mine.

Seriously, out of all the stupid posts made over the course of this past year, I think this might be the stupidest. Profile for people who look arabic, and terrorists will just use people who can look nonarabic(and this is pretty easy), with the net result of us being no more secure, and pissing off those who are innocent of wrongdoing. Brilliant plan.
 
Newsflash: metal detectors don't detect explosives.

And, no, I don't agree that racial profiling is counter productive. On Septemeber 11th 2001, some racial profiling would have saved thousands of American lives. Hurt some one's feeling, or save 3,000 lives? Not much of a brain teaser making that choice.

Well I dispute that it would, if there was an established policy of racial profiling then Al Qaeda would have found a way round it through the most obvious option available. Metal detection doesnt prevent explosives but it should prevent people from bringing knifes onto a plane. That certainly would have helped on 9/11.

Alot of people are making the point that we are having more trouble from Arab muslims then non Arab muslims. While this is the case I would argue that

1 What does an Arab look like? Yassar Arafat was just as fair skinned as many Europeans whereas many Yemenis are alot darker.

2 Its would not be that difficult for Al-Qaeda to recruit non-Arabs, there was an attempted nail bombing in England by someone who was 100% Anglo-Saxon but a convert to Islam. They certainly have plenty of allies in Chechnya and Kosovo.
 
Well I dispute that it would, if there was an established policy of racial profiling then Al Qaeda would have found a way round it through the most obvious option available. Metal detection doesnt prevent explosives but it should prevent people from bringing knifes onto a plane. That certainly would have helped on 9/11.

Alot of people are making the point that we are having more trouble from Arab muslims then non Arab muslims. While this is the case I would argue that

1 What does an Arab look like? Yassar Arafat was just as fair skinned as many Europeans whereas many Yemenis are alot darker.

2 Its would not be that difficult for Al-Qaeda to recruit non-Arabs, there was an attempted nail bombing in England by someone who was 100% Anglo-Saxon but a convert to Islam. They certainly have plenty of allies in Chechnya and Kosovo.

You're missing the point. This isn't about preventing terrorism. It's about an outlet for bigotry and frustration against muslims for people whose testosterone levels are too high and who want to vent at mooslims.

Sensible reasoning, knowledge of the facts, ability to construct arguments logically, experience of life...these are all superfluous to the discussion. I mean it's round 'em up and shoot 'em, all 1.2 billion of 'em, yabba yabba yabba yabba....
 
Someone probably didn't want to be accused of profiling.

Who wants to bet the dude had a one way ticket to Detroit and no luggage? Nothing suspicious about that. No way!

He was also in possession of a 2 year US visa expiring in 2010. How does someone who's a on watch list, as low tier as it was, get a visa to begin with and then is not properly searched before boarding a US plane?

Me thinks someone at Schiphol Airport is in deep doodoo right now.
 
The ignorance struts its stuff. Someone who takes an islamic sounding name suddenly becomes an arab? This is your racial profiling.

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You can stop the strutting any time you wish, boy, since I'm the only one of the two of us to realize that both phenotypically and genetically, he is not what you claimed him to be. I never even said whether or not I supported profiling, nor nor did I make any claims that he was an Arab, as I was simply providing proof that what you said of him was a fabrication. He is half Jamaican so is bi racial rather than white, and more importantly, sports a look that is very much non white.
 
This Richard Reid aka Abdul Raheem?

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He certainly has the average terrorist's looks.
If anyone is to be profiled, it is people who have the same kind of beard as this dress-wearing ****head.
 
He certainly has the average terrorist's looks.
If anyone is to be profiled, it is people who have the same kind of beard as this dress-wearing ****head.

Yes he does.

The act of trying to portray him otherwise is one of pure deceit.
 
Yes he does.

The act of trying to portray him otherwise is one of pure deceit.

This is just a joke:

"Subject people who look like terrorists to extra checks"

It's just laughable.

Lulling people into a false sense of security by determing that there is a terrorist "look" is the height of ignorance and is a de facto collaboration with the terrorist. In two ways:

1. By making it easy to "fool" a gullible security service (as the first time round).

2. By creating hostility against the communities that terrorists want you to antagonize, you help to foment the civil war that the terrorists crave.

There are some among us, enemies within our ranks, who clamour for these things becuase war - usually an armchair testosterone fuelled on efor them - which establishes dominance and humiliation over the whole muslim world is what they want.

Soft power and winning hearts and minds for democracy is not for them because they can't really abide a system which might elect politiicans who do not agree with them.
 
This is just a joke:

"Subject people who look like terrorists to extra checks"

It's just laughable.

Lulling people into a false sense of security by determing that there is a terrorist "look" is the height of ignorance and is a de facto collaboration with the terrorist. In two ways:

1. By making it easy to "fool" a gullible security service (as the first time round).

2. By creating hostility against the communities that terrorists want you to antagonize, you help to foment the civil war that the terrorists crave.

There are some among us, enemies within our ranks, who clamour for these things becuase war - usually an armchair testosterone fuelled on efor them - which establishes dominance and humiliation over the whole muslim world is what they want.

Soft power and winning hearts and minds for democracy is not for them because they can't really abide a system which might elect politiicans who do not agree with them.
Do realize that profiling only comes as an add-on to the current, functioning security protocol, and not as an alternative security protocol, so your complaints about security issues are irrelevant.

Beyond that, your post is hilarious. :2razz:
 
Do realize that profiling only comes as an add-on to the current, functioning security protocol, and not as an alternative security protocol, so your complaints about security issues are irrelevant.

Of course and I have said so if you can be bothered to keep up. I am not against profiling. But by professionals, not bigots.

Beyond that, your post is hilarious.

Ah, who can refute a sneer? Brilliant, brilliant stuff.
 
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Of course and I have said so if you can be bothered to keep up. I am not against profiling. But by professionals, not bigots.
And no one has suggested that people would be profiled by bigots.
Ah, who can refuse a sneer?
I could refuse a sneer any day of the week.
In fact, I just have.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Let's get this thread back on topic plz.
 
This is just a joke:

"Subject people who look like terrorists to extra checks"

It's just laughable.

Lulling people into a false sense of security by determing that there is a terrorist "look" is the height of ignorance and is a de facto collaboration with the terrorist. In two ways:

1. By making it easy to "fool" a gullible security service (as the first time round).

2. By creating hostility against the communities that terrorists want you to antagonize, you help to foment the civil war that the terrorists crave.

There are some among us, enemies within our ranks, who clamour for these things becuase war - usually an armchair testosterone fuelled on efor them - which establishes dominance and humiliation over the whole muslim world is what they want.

Soft power and winning hearts and minds for democracy is not for them because they can't really abide a system which might elect politiicans who do not agree with them.

I am more interested in truth instead of dogma. You tried to portray him as something he is not. You were refuted beyond any semblance of doubt, both through the information you provided, yourself, as to his Jamaican father, and through my posting of his pic. Now, you can certainly cling to your dogma all you want, and this will certainly suffice for those similarly afflicted, but the facts remain that the shoe bomber was not white, but bi-racial, and the style he has adopted has further reinforced that he does not appear white by any stretch of the imagination, but HAS adopted a look that appears as Islamist -- the core group from which terrorism arises.
 
i just hope the stewardess remembered to read the creep his rights when she put out the bomb

otherwise, when ag holder hauls the jihadist ass before judge judy he might get laughed out of court
 
i just hope the stewardess remembered to read the creep his rights when she put out the bomb

otherwise, when ag holder hauls the jihadist ass before judge judy he might get laughed out of court
He must have been at the bottom of his al Qaeda graduating class.
 
Re: AP sources: Al-Qaida link in failed plane attack

ROMULUS, Mich. – A Nigerian man who said he was an agent for al-Qaida tried to blow up a Northwest Airlines plane Friday as it was preparing to land in Detroit, but travelers who smelled smoke and heard what sounded like firecrackers rushed to subdue him, the passengers and federal officials said.

AP sources: Al-Qaida link in failed plane attack - Yahoo! News

So we have yet another Islamic terrorist attack this one thankfully was simply attempted but did not succeed.

Just out of curiosity, can we call this guy a Islamic terrorist now or are we going to go through the same BS we did with the Islamic terrorist solider in Texas with some claiming we have to "wait and see"?

And exactly how are they different other than the fact one used a gun instead of a bomb?

Who is saying that this guy is not an Islamic Terrorist?

This is a bit different than the Fort Hood shooter.
 
He must have been at the bottom of his al Qaeda graduating class.

Probably one of those who see the videos on the YouTube and think

Hey! I can do that.

He lacked training and intelligence.
 
Well I dispute that it would, if there was an established policy of racial profiling then Al Qaeda would have found a way round it through the most obvious option available. Metal detection doesnt prevent explosives but it should prevent people from bringing knifes onto a plane. That certainly would have helped on 9/11.

Alot of people are making the point that we are having more trouble from Arab muslims then non Arab muslims. While this is the case I would argue that
1 What does an Arab look like? Yassar Arafat was just as fair skinned as many Europeans whereas many Yemenis are alot darker.

It ain't just about color, Arafat might have been white, but their was no mistaking his middle easterness from his facial attributes, (if you want to call it that) He looked like a grouper or a Jewfish....
2 Its would not be that difficult for Al-Qaeda to recruit non-Arabs, there was an attempted nail bombing in England by someone who was 100% Anglo-Saxon but a convert to Islam. They certainly have plenty of allies in Chechnya and Kosovo.

That's ok, profiling will lessen the pool of potential recruits....
Profile & then do some more checks on the 'normal' looking passengers.....
Call it profiling +........;)
 
The article I read suggested this p.o.s. was a loner who just wanted to claim AQ affiliations. Typically, Nigerian's aren't too bright, are they? In fact, the only people I know, generally speaking, that are dumber than them are the people who fall for their internet email scams (which, if I understand it right, is a major source of income for that country.)

I hope they cut his nuts off and then hang him. I'm just FULL of Christmas spirit today! :mrgreen:

Oooo-Rah.

Well, dumb or not, connected to AQ or not, this just shows there will always be those crackpots out there who are unaffected by the loving glow of The One.
 
The article I read suggested this p.o.s. was a loner who just wanted to claim AQ affiliations. Typically, Nigerian's aren't too bright, are they? In fact, the only people I know, generally speaking, that are dumber than them are the people who fall for their internet email scams (which, if I understand it right, is a major source of income for that country.)

I hope they cut his nuts off and then hang him. I'm just FULL of Christmas spirit today! :mrgreen:Oooo-Rah.

Transforming the schmuck into a eunuch for his crimes does have merit. Unfortunately that type of action is unconstitutional.

PS: I realize that I am not using the term schmuck properly in this context but it does have a much better visceral ring to it than dickhead does !
 
Re: AP sources: Al-Qaida link in failed plane attack

Who is saying that this guy is not an Islamic Terrorist?

This is a bit different than the Fort Hood shooter.

Explain. How is it different?

Both of these guys were and are Islamic terrorists. Both attacked civiians and both wanted civilians to die.

Only their method of attack was different.
 
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He was also in possession of a 2 year US visa expiring in 2010. How does someone who's a on watch list, as low tier as it was, get a visa to begin with and then is not properly searched before boarding a US plane?

Me thinks someone at Schiphol Airport is in deep doodoo right now.

There is the only real meaningful post in this whole thread.

That there is the problem. The TSA is an embarrassment. It was only a couple weeks ago that the clowns of TSA put their security manual on the internet.........................

Our security is a big joke. You want to see American security at its best? Here you go:
March 13, 2002 Six months to the day after Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi flew planes into the World Trade Center, the Immigration and Naturalization Service notified a Venice, Florida, flight school that the two men had been approved for student visas.

So all this party finger pointing is just bogus. The real problem is that we are idiots no matter if you got an elephant or an ass shoved up yours.

CNN.com - Six months after Sept. 11, hijackers' visa approval letters received - March 13, 2002
 
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