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Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

Vader said:
The article says he was not assaulted. Could this be a cover-up?
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Did we ever find out if he was really hurt or was it just blood pressure like the article said?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Do people who invest have pension funds have control over where their assets are invested?



Yep a hedge fund is not a pension fund, there is a big difference between the 2 that you don't understand.

Teachers, firefighters et all do not make enough money to invest in hedge funds.
Hedge funds are play things for people with tons of money and none of those people who have those professions meet the income requirements to invest in a hedge fund.

A pension fund is a retirement fund set up for people who are teachers, firefighters et all. They are not the same thing.

Yes I do not feel sorry for people who stupidly took all their money and invested it in a hedge fund, hedge funds are not for retirement.

Yes I am saying that if you, as an individual, took all your money, that you were counting on for retirement, and put it in a hedge fund, with out even bothering to use independent research, are an idiot.
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Heh,heh, looks ole Harry is trying his best to uproot the ole goal post again, with this talk about hedge funds.

34# I just can't bring myself to cry for those that were screwed by him, they were mostly screwed by themselves, they had the majority of the power in that scenario and they chose to believe fanciful crap instead of making wiser choices.

Note the bolded part, nothing there about hedge fund managers was there?
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Who cares if he's an evil piece of ****?

He's still a human being and deserves to be treated like one.
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That's right. To the people who say, "Well if you don't want to be in prison, don't break the law." Its not that simple and they are dangerously ignorant of life's realities. There are many many innocent people in prison. It's bad enough they are there, they should not have to put up with being beaten and raped while there. Obviously practically nobody on here has done a day in prison, much less a year or two. Let me tell you, your justice system doesn't work well. Guilty people with money buy big lawyers that get them to walk while poor people who could be innocent only get a public defender who does nothing for them but help them get locked up. Whether or not either actually did the crime is long forgotten.

And as far as I know, when a judge sentences someone, they are sentenced to time at a facility, not sentenced to physical abuse.

While I think Madoff is scum like anyone else, he doesn't deserve to be beaten up. He was sentenced to life in prison, that's enough. He doesn't get to keep his money. What his crime was is irrelevant. He is serving his sentence which was time, not physical abuse. To think that I share the roads with people like whom I see on this forum scares me. Two wrongs do not make a right. You don't even know whether or not this person is innocent or guilty, just that they are in prison.

Really, some of you need to experience life behind the walls for a little while. It would be an eye opening experience for you, especially if what you did, and what they SAY you did, were two totally different things. I could tell you stories that would BLOW YOUR MIND.
 
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dontworrybehappy said:
Let me tell you, your justice system doesn't work well.
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Well, the Europeans aren't much better, nor our northern neighbors. The Germans release terrorists, the Brits release terrorists, the Canadians entertain Sharia law and their sentencing is laughable.

No system is perfect, but they have worked hard to improve it... at least they aren't releasing terrorists.

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If you're not safe in a maximum security facility, where can you be?
 
zimmer said:
Well, the Europeans aren't much better, nor our northern neighbors. The Germans release terrorists, the Brits release terrorists, the Canadians entertain Sharia law and their sentencing is laughable.
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And none of those countries have nearly as high a crime rate as we do.
 
Kandahar said:
And none of those countries have nearly as high a crime rate as we do.
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They also have far less liberty than us. It's a pro and con world. The Middle East has less crime than Europe. It seems that the less liberty a society has the more behaved they are. Perhaps freedom is over rated.
 
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Neither country has removed liberty from more of their citizens than has the US, who lock up a bigger percentage of their population.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Neither country has removed liberty from more of their citizens than has the US, who lock up a bigger percentage of their population.
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...because they are imprisoned for nothing? "Liberty" and "Freedom" are two seperate things and the U.S. affords far more "liberty" to its citizens than any other, which is why we have higher crime rates. Your remark was pointless. Or did I just explain your point for you?
 
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MSgt said:
They also have far less liberty than us. It's a pro and con world. The Middle East has less crime than Europe. It seems that the less liberty a society has the more behaved they are. Perhaps freedom is over rated.
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On what basis do you claim that countries with less crime than us (such as the ones mentioned above) have less liberty than we do? Freedom House gave Canada and every Western European country a 1/1 rating, which is the best score...and the same score as the United States. To compare them to Middle Eastern nations is frankly ridiculous.

My point is that locking people in cages and subjecting them to daily ass rapes as punishment for nonviolent crimes is not only completely barbaric, but it isn't even necessary. Other nations have shown that it's possible to keep crime relatively low without draconian punishments.
 
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Kandahar said:
On what basis do you claim that countries with less crime than us (such as the ones mentioned above) have less liberty than we do? Freedom House gave Canada and every Western European country a 1/1 rating, which is the best score...and the same score as the United States. To compare them to Middle Eastern nations is frankly ridiculous.
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Shall we talk about gun laws? This alone defines individual "liberty" as more distinct in the U.S. than others. Perhaps this has something to do with higher crime rates?

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My point is that locking people in cages and subjecting them to daily ass rapes as punishment for nonviolent crimes is not only completely barbaric, but it isn't even necessary. Other nations have shown that it's possible to keep crime relatively low without draconian punishments.
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Which compliments my earlier statement that this is further embarrassment for the world to entertain themsleves with.
 
Kandahar said:
On what basis do you claim that countries with less crime than us (such as the ones mentioned above) have less liberty than we do? Freedom House gave Canada and every Western European country a 1/1 rating, which is the best score...and the same score as the United States. To compare them to Middle Eastern nations is frankly ridiculous.
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Do Canadians have the same 2nd Amendment protections that Americans have? No, they don't.

My point is that locking people in cages and subjecting them to daily ass rapes as punishment for nonviolent crimes is not only completely barbaric, but it isn't even necessary. Other nations have shown that it's possible to keep crime relatively low without draconian punishments.
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Don't break the law. How hard is that to comprehend?
 
But, but, but isn't a gun-carrying society supposed to be a civil society? Why do so many more "free" Americans need locking up?
 
MSgt said:
Shall we talk about gun laws? This alone defines individual "liberty" as more distinct in the U.S. than others. Perhaps this has something to do with higher crime rates?
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Just to make sure I understand you correctly...are you saying that more gun freedom causes crime? :shock:
(BTW Canada and Switzerland also have very lax gun laws...but without the crime rates that we have.)
 
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Frodly said:
Please will some one explain why it is funny or justified that this man was beaten up? He is in prison because he committed a crime, so that he cannot continue to commit those same crimes. The only desire I have is that the justice system insures he is not capable of committing the same crime again. Beyond that, wishing this man any harm is simply immoral!!
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I do not find it funny he was beat up. I am shocked he is still alive as he totally messed up peeps money to the point where they have no clue what they are gonna do. Let me tell ya this-if anybody did that kind of thing to me? They would be lucky to make it to lockdown. That is how I roll. You take away everything I worked for? You best get ready to pay and it will not via the crappy Justice System either.
 
lizzie said:
That sums it up well imo. When we celebrate cruelty to anyone, even the criminal elements of our society, we are no different than those who cheered at the Coliseum.
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Color me a bad person cause I think pedophiles should be killed. Since we do not kill them? I think they should get really bad things in prision. I am a rape survivor tooo and they deserve anything and evrything they get while locked up.
 
Kandahar said:
Just to make sure I understand you correctly...are you saying that more gun freedom causes crime? :shock:
(BTW Canada and Switzerland also have very lax gun laws...but without the crime rates that we have.)
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First of all..I didn't say this. I asked a question. But second...

Does Canada and Switzerland have a culture immersed in a cowboy/gangster mentality? We started out as revolutionaries then pioneers. This makes us adventurers and this never ended. After taking on thw world, we took on the moon. Are these other nations famous for their Capones and Billy the Kids? Hollywood has spent the last 80 years grorifying their criminal violence and alpha male status. There is a certain attitude America has that others do not have. We tend to have egos that need "defended" and this places Americans in a position where our individualism sets us aside form others. Our military is the most powerful in history and we dictate the mood of the globe. We like our sports violent (NFL) and our music aggresive (Rock, Rap).

I believe this attitude that has been cultivated for the last three centuries relates directly towards our higher crime rate, which has steadily gotten worse since the end of WWII.

What is your thinking about why our crime rate is higher? The water?
 
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apdst said:
This paticular old man? Yes, it find it hillarious.

Me, I'm a vengeful son-of-a-bitch like that.
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How much money did you lose with Madoff?
 
apdst said:
I didn't lose any. Does that mean I don't get an opinion?
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How could you be vengeful if it didn't affect you in any way?

What are you avenging?
 
Manc Skipper said:
If you're not safe in a maximum security facility, where can you be?
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Maximum security only means that citizens are safe from the criminals inside. I'm surprised he wasn't put in a minimum security prison.
 
MSgt said:
First of all..I didn't say this. I asked a question. But second...

Does Canada and Switzerland have a culture immersed in a cowboy/gangster mentality? Are these other nations famous for their Capones and Billy the Kids? Hollywood has spent the last 80 years grorifying their criminal violence and alpha male status. There is a certain attitude America has that others do not have. We tend to have egos that need "defended" and this places Americans in a position of more individualism not seen in other places. Our military is the most powerful in history and we dictate the mood of the globe. We like our sports violent (NFL) and our music aggresive (Rock, Rap).

I believe this relates directly towards our higher crime rate.
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I think that's a weak correlation. It certain does contribute to our culture, but you fall prey to making a huge generalization on the American population. We have just as many subcultures that are not aggressive and not egocentric.
 
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