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Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

American said:
$500B Medicare cuts will have an adverse effect on the elderly.
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Not really - the cuts are from a bloated, wasteful part of Medicare. The Republicans tried cutting it for years.

But you do get the irony of the sign, don't you?
 
misterman said:
Like these?

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Or one of my faves:

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yup, those were exactly the signs i obviously was referring to

pretty anti-obama, wouldn't you say?

what an idiot

obama, i mean
 
The Prof said:
yup, those were exactly the signs i obviously was referring to

pretty anti-obama, wouldn't you say?

what an idiot

obama, i mean
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Right, Obama is the idiot. Not these people. Obama.
 
misterman said:
the cuts are from a bloated, wasteful part of Medicare
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oh, they're from the bloated and wasteful parts

not from all those other parts

LOL!

what an idiot

obama, i mean
 
oh, so it's medicare advantage that's the bloated and wasteful part

LOL!

tell it to the 11 million who rely on it

unfortunately, the zeroing out of medicare advantage is just the beginning

we're talking a half trillion dollars of cuts to medicare, medicaid and medicare advantage in obamacare

Medicare Cuts Stay in Senate's Health Care Bill - ABC News

that's an awful lot of bloat and waste

i wonder why teddy couldn't find it in all those years of lion-like roaring

i guess the last kennedy was just too dumb
 
The Prof said:
oh, so it's medicare advantage that's the bloated and wasteful part

LOL!

tell it to the 11 million who rely on it
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Are you claiming that these 11 million will lose coverage and be thrown out in the cold?

unfortunately, the zeroing out of medicare advantage is just the beginning

we're talking a half trillion dollars of cuts to medicare, medicaid and medicare advantage in obamacare
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Medicare Cuts Stay in Senate's Health Care Bill - ABC News[/QUOTE]

Aside from the obvious irony of the GOP suddenly whining about Medicare cuts when they tried to cut it or repeal it altogether for years, did you even read the article you cited? I doubt it.
 
The Prof said:
cuts to med-adv come to less than half of what's contemplated for medicare entire

it's in the links
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No it's not. In fact, the exact opposite is in your link.
 
from your link:

"Max Savings

The Congressional Budget Office estimated in December that setting benchmarks for Medicare Advantage private plans to match local fee-for-service levels would save $55 billion by 2014 and $157 billion by 2019. Using a competitive bidding process to set Medicare Advantage benchmarks would save $35 billion by 2014 and $158 billion by 2019."

from mine:

"Senators voted 58-42 to reject an amendment by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., that would have stripped more than $400 billion in Medicare cuts from the nearly $1 trillion measure."

read

sorry, obamacare CUTS a lot more than just med-adv
 
The Prof said:
from your link:

"Max Savings

The Congressional Budget Office estimated in December that setting benchmarks for Medicare Advantage private plans to match local fee-for-service levels would save $55 billion by 2014 and $157 billion by 2019. Using a competitive bidding process to set Medicare Advantage benchmarks would save $35 billion by 2014 and $158 billion by 2019."

from mine:

"Senators voted 58-42 to reject an amendment by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., that would have stripped more than $400 billion in Medicare cuts from the nearly $1 trillion measure."

read

sorry, obamacare CUTS a lot more than just med-adv
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From your link:

"A competing amendment by Sen. Michael Bennet, D-Colo., underscoring that no benefits in traditional Medicare will be cut by the legislation, was approved 100-0."
 
no benefits cut

LOL!

one hundred to zero

LOL!
 
The Prof said:
no benefits cut

LOL!

one hundred to zero

LOL!
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Presenting evidence would do more than the above comment. Do you have anything factual we can check?
 
medicare funding will be cut and it will affect those on medicare to some degree. what that will be, i don't think we know yet.

mtm1963
 
mtm1963 said:
medicare funding will be cut and it will affect those on medicare to some degree. what that will be, i don't think we know yet.

mtm1963
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Maybe, or maybe it just shifts things, with an end result of not actual cut. But in any case, what we need are actual facts on this.
 
Boo Radley said:
Maybe, or maybe it just shifts things, with an end result of not actual cut. But in any case, what we need are actual facts on this.
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please explain.

media reports say payments to doctors will be cut by billions and billions dollars. the bill, according to the media, will take 100's of billions from medicare in order to help pay for the cost of the bill with the rest coming from taxes.

mtm1963
 
mtm1963 said:
please explain.

media reports say payments to doctors will be cut by billions and billions dollars. the bill, according to the media, will take 100's of billions from medicare in order to help pay for the cost of the bill with the rest coming from taxes.

mtm1963
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December 24, 2009

Improvements to Medicare

Aside from the pledge to close the infamous doughnut hole, the Senate measure would also improve Medicare by providing free preventive and wellness care, increasing home care options and establishing bonus payments to reward medical professionals who provide the best quality care. The emphasis on incentives for quality care and the new wellness and preventive screening would give Medicare a new, active role as a health care advocate, not just a bill payer.

“Health insurance will be extended to tens of millions of people, and that puts us much closer to the standard of health coverage that exists among all the advanced industrial nations,” says Robert Binstock, a political scientist and professor of aging, health and society at Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine in Cleveland. Binstock directed a White House task force on older Americans for President Lyndon Johnson, shortly after Johnson signed legislation creating Medicare and Medicaid. “This is clearly a major landmark achievement.”

(snip)

Key provisions

The Senate bill would strengthen Medicare by requiring insurance companies to competitively bid to offer private Medicare Advantage plans, a move that is estimated to save $118 billion from 2010 to 2019. Currently Medicare beneficiaries are subsidizing enrollees in these plans, which cost an average of 14 percent more than traditional Medicare.

The bill also would:

• provide bonus payments for plans that provide top-quality service.

• encourage states to develop more choices of long-term care services, to enable older people to live in their own homes instead of more expensive nursing homes.

• improve health care and provide better care by, for example, giving bonus payments to hospitals with low rates of patient readmission.

• crack down on fraud and waste in the system.

• raise payments to primary care physicians and surgeons in areas where there is a shortage.

Senate Approves Sweeping Health Care Reform Bill - AARP Bulletin Today

Medicare Fact Sheet Final | The White House
 
they are still trimming 450 billion dollars from medicare.

mtm1963
 
mtm1963 said:
they are still trimming 450 billion dollars from medicare.

mtm1963
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But, if it closes holes, it could be a net gain. All I'm saying is that it isn't quite as simple as some make it sound. There's a reason why AARP has been mostly supportive. Even with the cuts, it might be better all around.
 
Boo Radley said:
But, if it closes holes, it could be a net gain. All I'm saying is that it isn't quite as simple as some make it sound. There's a reason why AARP has been mostly supportive. Even with the cuts, it might be better all around.
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You're right, there is a reason, a big one.


When the AARP began its full-throated support for the President’s Health Care Scheme many wondered why this venerable organization would support a plan which would cut hundreds of billions of dollars from Medicare, mostly by putting strict price controls on the very popular Medicare Advantage program.

By putting enormous price controls (cuts) in the Medicare Advantage program, many seniors will be forced to look to the other Medicare supplemental offer, MediGap. It just so happens that AARP sells MediGap coverage to its members. The income generated from those sales accounts for 60.3% of AARP’s revenues, ten years ago, this income only accounted for 10% of their budget.

So, in short, the Obama Health Care Scheme puts hundreds of millions of dollars in AARP’s coffers by forcing seniors off of Medicare Advantage and into MediGap programs. You would think that this was enough of a payback to the AARP for their support. But Big Government now reveals another little prize that has been awarded to AARP in time for their recent official endorsement of the Senate Bill.

The AARP Foundation will have received over $100, 000, 000 dollars in Federal grants by the end of this fiscal year.


Behind the Curtain: Why AARP Supports ObamaCare - Big Government
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Like everyone else in this pay for play scheme, they were bought off.


j-mac
 
cuts to m and m are close to HALF A T per the failure of mccain's amendment, as linked above

cuts to m-ad are about 150B, says the national journal link above

except BILL nelson obtained exemption of m-ad cuts for our state with the most retirees, florida

all of which means m and m are cut over 300B independent of restrictions on m-ad

upshot---medicare, medicaid and m-ad are cut HALF A T

it's really all pretty simple, tho the numbers are astronomical

that the m's are massively expanded while their fundings are so drastically reduced makes any simultaneous promises of improvements in care LOL-able

same can be said for any claims that benefits (LOL!) won't be curtailed

meanwhile, at the state level, medicaid is murdered, also linked above

it's a matter of basic bookkeeping

sorry
 
While you learn to write in complete words and sentences, I'll note that the Republicans have tried repeatedly to cut Medicare and Medicaid drastically for many years. If it needs to be done, I'm glad the Democrats are the ones doing it. They will do it right.

The Prof said:
cuts to m and m are close to HALF A T per the failure of mccain's amendment, as linked above

cuts to m-ad are about 150B, says the national journal link above

except BILL nelson obtained exemption of m-ad cuts for our state with the most retirees, florida

all of which means m and m are cut over 300B independent of restrictions on m-ad

upshot---medicare, medicaid and m-ad are cut HALF A T

it's really all pretty simple, tho the numbers are astronomical

that the m's are massively expanded while their fundings are so drastically reduced makes any simultaneous promises of improvements in care LOL-able

same can be said for any claims that benefits (LOL!) won't be curtailed

meanwhile, at the state level, medicaid is murdered, also linked above

it's a matter of basic bookkeeping

sorry
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this, from a guy who doesn't know the dif btwn 150B cuts to m-ad and HALF A TRILLION dollar reductions of m and m

LOL!
 
The Prof said:
this, from a guy who doesn't know the dif btwn 150B cuts to m-ad and HALF A TRILLION dollar reductions of m and m

LOL!
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Sure I know the difference. The problem is that you don't know the difference between reality and fantasy.
 
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