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Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

Dirty Harry said:
Sure do. I also don't think I should have to pay for the healthcare of others just because they don't want to buy health insurance.
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Exactly! That is what I am trying to get through to Joe (Boo), but he seems to think it is ok that since he doesn't mind paying, then he should be able to tell me to pay also.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Exactly! That is what I am trying to get through to Joe (Boo), but he seems to think it is ok that since he doesn't mind paying, then he should be able to tell me to pay also.


j-mac
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You're missing his point. You're paying for them now. Right now. Only in the most expensive way possible.
 
Boo Radley said:
You're missing his point. You're paying for them now. Right now. Only in the most expensive way possible.
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Agreed, Medicare, and Medicaid should be done away with as well.


j-mac
 
Bassman said:
Hey sucker, you already are in the forms of medicare and Medicaid.
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I also pay for the healthcare of military personel, veterans and government employees.
I should not have to pay for those that just don't want to buy insurance.
I can't believe you so-called conservatives are against this part of the bill. Did they tell you to think that way?
 
j-mac said:
Agreed, Medicare, and Medicaid should be done away with as well.


j-mac
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If they do away with them, will you pay for your folks' healthcare? Are you wealthy enough to pay for your own healthcare when you get old and can't work?
 
j-mac said:
Agreed, Medicare, and Medicaid should be done away with as well.


j-mac
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Again, not what he's talking about. But you know that, don't you.
 
j-mac said:
What? Wait. :confused: Suppose you inform me where your leading me then?


j-mac
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:roll: Me leading you?

Again, as I have explained for you already, we pay for the uninsured not just through medicare or medicaid, but people outside those programs.
 
hazlnut said:
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I am using caps for things you need to pay attention to, sorry if you can't grasp that(what a shock:roll:)



Yes, of course, an insurance salesman... Your credibility is somewhat laughable in this thread.
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First of all I am an agent, that means I am a planner, not a salesman, but nice try, and way to get even that basic wrong.
Health, medicine, you're dealing with people's lives, when they at their most vulnerable. God forbid Government actually protect the consumer.
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And you attack MY credibility, you have a government plan that will cost people their lives over the long haul and you think I'M the bad guy, no wonder it's so easy to crush you in debate, you have misplaced trust. K, I'm going to just ignore the rest, I read down a little bit and don't have the patience to correct the rest of the misinformation contained in this response.
 
Boo Radley said:
:roll: Me leading you?

Again, as I have explained for you already, we pay for the uninsured not just through medicare or medicaid, but people outside those programs.
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how would that change with this legislation?


j-mac
 
Do you self proclaimed conservatives believe it is ones right not to buy insurance and let other pay for your healthcare? If so, doesn't that go against your core conservative beliefs?
 
Dirty Harry said:
Do you self proclaimed conservatives believe it is ones right not to buy insurance and let other pay for your healthcare? If so, doesn't that go against your core conservative beliefs?
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:doh You truly don't get it do you. We don't want the government interference either way. We don't want the government doing anything that will artificially inflate prices and we don't want the government forcing private citizens to buy coverage. If you aren't covered, find a charity hospital/clinic and take your chances. It really isn't that difficult.
 
LaMidRighter said:
:doh You truly don't get it do you. We don't want the government interference either way. We don't want the government doing anything that will artificially inflate prices and we don't want the government forcing private citizens to buy coverage. If you aren't covered, find a charity hospital/clinic and take your chances. It really isn't that difficult.
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:doh :cool:
 
LaMidRighter said:
:doh You truly don't get it do you. We don't want the government interference either way. We don't want the government doing anything that will artificially inflate prices and we don't want the government forcing private citizens to buy coverage. If you aren't covered, find a charity hospital/clinic and take your chances. It really isn't that difficult.
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OK. I understand. You do believe it's OK for some to leech off others.

I really don't want government interference either but the private sector has shown they can not do the job. The profit motive is the major cause of inflated heathcare costs and it is draining every other sector of the economy. Our healthcare system is broken.

Hospitals have to treat you, insurance or not. It's law. Just go to any emergency room. The rest of us pay for that through higher premiums and costs. If you do not have insurance you should not be allowed to use the system the rest of us pay for.
 
Dirty Harry said:
OK. I understand. You do believe it's OK for some to leech off others.
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Just ask the local welfare office.

I really don't want government interference either but the private sector has shown they can not do the job. The profit motive is the major cause of inflated heathcare costs and it is draining every other sector of the economy. Our healthcare system is broken.
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Spoken like a true Liberal. Thinking that big government has all the answers.

Hospitals have to treat you, insurance or not. It's law. Just go to any emergency room. The rest of us pay for that through higher premiums and costs. If you do not have insurance you should not be allowed to use the system the rest of us pay for.
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And you are still inder the delusion that big daddy gubment, with a long history of cost overruns and gross and blatant corruption and inefficiency can do better?? Pathetic!
 
Bassman said:
Just ask the local welfare office.

Spoken like a true Liberal. Thinking that big government has all the answers.

And you are still inder the delusion that big daddy gubment, with a long history of cost overruns and gross and blatant corruption and inefficiency can do better?? Pathetic!
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The private sector doesn't have all the answers either. They have proven that over and over. There is just as much corruption in the private sector as in government. Hell, it's the same bunch of people.
Just look at Goldman Sachs, a huge player in the financial meltdown. It's CEO was also the secretary of the Treasury. What you fail to understand is that the private sector owns the government.


What is your solution to the healthcare problem?
 
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Dirty Harry said:
The private sector doesn't have all the answers either. They have proven that over and over. There is just as much corruption in the private sector as in government. Hell, it's the same bunch of people.
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But I would trust private sector enterprises, who are compelled to maintain efficiency and performance, over government , who is under zero obligation to do the same.
 
Bassman said:
But I would trust private sector enterprises, who are compelled to maintain efficiency and performance, over government , who is under zero obligation to do the same.
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They are also compelled to maintain the bottom line and will do just about anything to accomplish that. No matter who suffers.
Profit motive and healthcare are not always a good mix. The state of the system today proves that.
I would love to see the private sector stand up and present a plan to make insurance affordible for everyone and to lower healthcare costs. Health insurance should not be the burden to society that it is. The private sector dropped the ball years ago. If they had done their job there would not be a need for heathcare reform and Obama could be spending his time screwing up something else.
 
Boo Radley said:
But that is the difference, which is why all are required to have health insurance. There's no way to choose not to be cared for or for us to turn anyone away from serious care. It isn't a reason, as you suggest, to not have it mandatory, but a reason why it has to include all.
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Yes you can refuse treatment. No one is forced into getting something that they do not want. Until this HCB came along that is.

Boo Radley said:
And unless you're very, very rich, you could not pay for a transplant in your life time. Not only that, they wouldn't do it until you came up with a huge part of the cost. And that is true even if you're very young.

You overestimate your actual ability to pay.
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If they required a lump sum first then I wouldn't get it.

And you underestimate my ability.
 
Dirty Harry said:
OK. I understand. You do believe it's OK for some to leech off others.

I really don't want government interference either but the private sector has shown they can not do the job. The profit motive is the major cause of inflated heathcare costs and it is draining every other sector of the economy. Our healthcare system is broken.

Hospitals have to treat you, insurance or not. It's law. Just go to any emergency room. The rest of us pay for that through higher premiums and costs. If you do not have insurance you should not be allowed to use the system the rest of us pay for.
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What do you think is going to happen under Obamacare?
 
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