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Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

You managed to do it, didn't you? People did get it don't didn't they?

And no, silly and dishonest comparisons to the Soviet Union will only work in your mind. You're wrong about many things, and this is just one more area in which your take your hyperbole too far.

So my 20+ years doing casework doesn't count. If I don't know what is involved, I must be a big ignoramus and thoroughly incompetent then.

Am I wrong?
 
Yeah, what a dumb comparison. The soviet union was a single party state that had a strong central government that meddled in the affairs of it's citizens a great deal. The US, on the other hand, is a single party state with a strong central government that........oh....never mind. :doh

:lol::rofl

I loved it!!!!!!!!!

I haven't laughed so hard in years!!!!
 
What are you using to make this forecast?

The language and requirements in both bills do that.

Cutting medicare payments to doctors will force them to cap the number of medicare patients they see or drop them altogether.

The provisions dealing with community rating, forced insuring of those already sick and the minimum benefits will raise prices across the board but most notably will it hit young people, which are the people who have the smallest income of all age groups.

The penalty for employers is less than what it costs to provide a partially covered insurance plan, plus they don't have to manage the paperwork or have days for open enrollment anymore.

That fine on employers though, hurts small businesses the most.
 
Yes, you are wrong. You go to jail for not paying the tax and not for not having insurance.

And as there is a hardship clause, not having the money is not really a barrier. Does she pay taxes? If she does, then she does so already and can simply have a few dollars more taken out a month. 2.5% would not be that noticeable.

Again, don;t make excuses and be accurate about what is written. No one goes to jail for not having insurance. You have to break a second law.

One leads to the other. When people say that they can't afford the insurance it is because all other necessary bills get in the way. It means that they are living pay check to pay check (and sometimes the bills still don't get paid fully). Even a 2.5% loss could put a person out on the street. They may never get out of debt. Especially when the IRS charges interest.
 
One leads to the other. When people say that they can't afford the insurance it is because all other necessary bills get in the way. It means that they are living pay check to pay check (and sometimes the bills still don't get paid fully). Even a 2.5% loss could put a person out on the street. They may never get out of debt. Especially when the IRS charges interest.

If someone CANNOT afford insurance, the government will not "fine" them. They will get vouchers so they can purchase a healthcare plan.

If they can easily afford it and are just too stubborn and/or stupid to get it, then that is their own fault.
 
One: the war in Iraq is finished. Has been for quite a while.

Two: why link the two? They are two seperate issues that have nothing to do with each other. Linking the two would only confuse things. Is that what you want?

1- the war isn't over. do we still have troops there? are they still getting killed? we'll be occupying Iraq for the the next 50+ years.

2- that's the point. I feel just as strongly in my opposition to the War in Iraq as they do to healthcare reform (which I also oppose, but not as strongly). The thing is, I want no part of their group. They're a bunch of arrogant SOB's who had no problem labeling those of us who opposed the war and the Patriot Act as unpatriotic and traitorous. Now that things aren't going their way over this issue, they're throwing a hissy fit and proclaiming the end of this country as we know it.

Actions have consequences, another thing this group has no concept of. They burned quite a few bridges during the Bush years and now think they can rebuild them to garner support for HCR; well, it ain't gonna happen. Instead of throwing my support their way, I'll remain on the sidelines watching the show and criticizing them.
 
Yeah, what a dumb comparison. The soviet union was a single party state that had a strong central government that meddled in the affairs of it's citizens a great deal. The US, on the other hand, is a single party state with a strong central government that........oh....never mind. :doh

Don't tell me you're going to be just as silly? Lord, what's the matter with conservatives these days? Losing both their minds and their courage. At least among those who spout such silliness as this. :(
 
So my 20+ years doing casework doesn't count. If I don't know what is involved, I must be a big ignoramus and thoroughly incompetent then.

Am I wrong?

Not for much. First, we only have your word. Second, we have no way to judge how good you were at it. Third, you may not be seeing things as clearly as you think (and your silly hyperbole does suggest this).

So far, as I keep telling you, you are wrong. Most importantly, you're wrong on the facts.
 
One leads to the other. When people say that they can't afford the insurance it is because all other necessary bills get in the way. It means that they are living pay check to pay check (and sometimes the bills still don't get paid fully). Even a 2.5% loss could put a person out on the street. They may never get out of debt. Especially when the IRS charges interest.

One does not lead to other. No one has to break a second law. And I even suggested a way around it. And with previsions for those who don't make enough money, there is really little likelihood that the circumstance you pain above would be likely let alone common.

But that doesn't really matter. You don't go to jail for not having insurance. You have to break a separate law to go to jail. This is simple fact. It's not an opinion, or really debatable.
 
If someone CANNOT afford insurance, the government will not "fine" them. They will get vouchers so they can purchase a healthcare plan.

Yes,a family of four will get $10,000 credit for a $20,000 plan....They still have to cough up $833 a month.
 
1- the war isn't over. do we still have troops there? are they still getting killed? we'll be occupying Iraq for the the next 50+ years.

Ummm....We are withdrawing our troops per our agreement with Iraq.
 
Yes,a family of four will get $10,000 credit for a $20,000 plan....They still have to cough up $833 a month.

Interesting numbers. How do you get them, and can you support them?
 
anyone who can't connect:

1. buy insurance or pay a fine

2. don't pay the fine and go to jail

needs help with counting

sesame street might be a good start
 
Nice dramatics.
Am certain you were just as upset with the Medicare Medication Bill a few years ago when politicians jumped in bed with pharmaceuticals. Once again it appeared initially these politicians were doing something good for their citizens. But as always like alley cats they were in the cheap motel rooms with the pharmaceuticals. It was then just coincidence that many of the congressmen who orchestrated that ripoff are now lobbyists for the pharmaceutical companies.

Now that this initially nobel plan has been perversed with kickbacks am certain many of these congressmen will have a nice little Christmas present from the pharmaceuticals and maybe even a surprize lobbyist job awaiting them.

Now, back to the usual Rep vs Dem farce.
I was, but nice changing the subject. As you know the Rx law was microscopic compared to this thing.
 
Bush and company already distroyed this once great nation. Your children can thank them. It only took 6 years of republican rule to bring it down.
Merry Christmas

PS I still will never understand why the GOP did nothing about heathcare when they had all the power. Now they whine.
House Dems had control for 40 years prior to 1994, where were they then on this? And it's suddenly a rush.
 
Ummm....We are withdrawing our troops per our agreement with Iraq.

Withdrawing does not equal no troops present. Get back to me when the last American soldier leaves the country.
 
House Dems had control for 40 years prior to 1994, where were they then on this? And it's suddenly a rush.

Healthcare was not that big of a problem back then. Insurance was relatively cheap, it didn't bankrupt a family to have a member spend a couple weeks in the hospital, doctors made house calls, were not multimilionaires and it didn't cost $1500 bucks for a five minute MRI.
Clinton tried to address the problem but was shot down. Now it's out of control and there is no solution.
The GOP had ample time to implement their pet solutions such as tort reform, state line issues etc, but did nothing. The GOP is the party of do nothings until it's too late..
 
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Withdrawing does not equal no troops present. Get back to me when the last American soldier leaves the country.

All the bad guys have been killed in Iraq. When we pull out, lasting peace will break out and Iraq will become the tourist capital of the MidEast.
 
anyone who can't connect:

1. buy insurance or pay a fine

2. don't pay the fine and go to jail

needs help with counting

sesame street might be a good start

If you say so, but their is no jail penalty written for not having health insurance. That's just a fact.
 
we know, we know, you told us

"their" is no imprisonment for not buying insurance

"their's" just jail time for not paying the fine imposed for not buying insurance

that's a very important and significant point

merits endless repetition
 
we know, we know, you told us

"their" is no imprisonment for not buying insurance

"their's" just jail time for not paying the fine imposed for not buying insurance

that's a very important and significant point

merits endless repetition

Yep. Just like you go to jail for not paying a speeding fine. It's your choice.
 
we know, we know, you told us

"their" is no imprisonment for not buying insurance

"their's" just jail time for not paying the fine imposed for not buying insurance

that's a very important and significant point

merits endless repetition

Yep. Got the wrong their there. Understood.

Now, as noted above, you don't go to jail for a simple speeding ticket, but if you refuse to pay, a different crime, you could go to jail. When you have to break a second law to go to jail, it is that which sends you to jail.
 
i know, i know, you told me

one, two
 
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