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'Five taken hostage' in post office in Virginia, US

The attacker is in a wheel chair, and missing part of his leg.

"police spokeswoman Corinne Geller said authorities are negotiating with the suspect.

Virginia State Police sent in a SWAT team and a bomb technician, and police at the scene told the Wytheville Enterprise the man had five pounds of a common plastic explosive strapped to his chest. Geller would not confirm that."




BBC News - 'Five taken hostage' in post office in Virginia, US
 
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Frodly said:
You are aware of the amazing modern medical advancement known as antibiotics correct?
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Yes, I am. Ever hear of, "staff infection".


Are you seriously of the belief that if you were in an confined space with a dozen or more people, and some one came in stabbing people, that you would not attempt to fight back? Of course you would, and since a knife is a close range weapon, a group of people would almost certainly be successful in fighting the person off.
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Have you ever had anyone come at you with a knife with the honest intent to kill you? If you haven't, you can't make that statement with any kind oif credibility.
 
Gladiator said:
The attacker is in a wheel chair, and missing part of his leg.
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Thank god he doesn't have a knife!! Can you imagine how deadly a killer this guy would be then!!
 
Frodly said:
Thank god he doesn't have a knife!! Can you imagine how deadly a killer this guy would be then!!
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It would almost be some Scary Movie 8 type of **** to have a guy in a wheelchair chase you with a knife. I mean I'd laugh all the way through.
 
apdst said:
Yes, I am. Ever hear of, "staff infection".

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Would that be related to Staph Infection?



Guns are more deadly than knives. If you are going to do it on a situational basis, then one could make the claim that in certain situations banana peels are more dangerous, or even bare-hands, when compared to guns.

Fact is that a moron with a gun is more dangerous than a moron with a knife.
 
Arch Enemy said:
Would that be related to Staph Infection?



Guns are more deadly than knives. If you are going to do it on a situational basis, then one could make the claim that in certain situations banana peels are more dangerous, or even bare-hands, when compared to guns.

Fact is that a moron with a gun is more dangerous than a moron with a knife.
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This moron was purdy deadly with a knife.

Self Defense: Mass stabbing in Japan
 
Arch Enemy said:
Yeah, but that source is arguing that it "wouldn't happen it Texas" insinuating that if the moron was juxtaposed to guys with guns, this wouldn't have happened.
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It doesn't make a **** what that source is arguing. The fact is, a moron with a knife killed 7 and wounded 19.

What happened to the, "they'll rush him and take him down", argument?
 
apdst said:
It doesn't make a **** what that source is arguing. The fact is, a moron with a knife killed 7 and wounded 19.

What happened to the, "they'll rush him and take him down", argument?
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That was never my argument.

Mine is that a person with a gun is more likely to cause more damage than a person with a knife.

It's simple apdst, simple.
 
Arch Enemy said:
That was never my argument.

Mine is that a person with a gun is more likely to cause more damage than a person with a knife.

It's simple apdst, simple.
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"more likely", yes. But, not guaranteed. It's all I've been saying all along. reading is fundamental.
 
apdst said:
It doesn't make a **** what that source is arguing. The fact is, a moron with a knife killed 7 and wounded 19.

What happened to the, "they'll rush him and take him down", argument?
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Here's another one in a school:
8 children die in Japan school stabbing | World news | The Guardian
A man with a history of mental illness forced his way into a primary school in Japan and unleashed a frenzied knife attack that left eight children dead and 19 others injured.
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apdst said:
"more likely", yes. But, not guaranteed. It's all I've been saying all along. reading is fundamental.
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I was just saying that guns are more dangerous than knives.
 
Alfons said:
Look in Russia, such crimes are beeing happend everywhere on daily basis and full normal for natives.
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Agreed, but the USA is supposedly a civilized nation whereas Russia is basically peopled by thieves and barbarians.
 
"Three people left the Wytheville, Va. Post Office shortly after 11 p.m. ET. The gunman who had been holding them hostage came out of the building in his wheelchair shortly thereafter, without incident."



Virginia post office hostage standoff ends, gunman identified and in custody




"State police identified the suspect as Warren "Gator" Taylor of Sullivan County, Tenn. As he exited the post office, Taylor was met on the street by an unmanned tactical vehicle that examined him before officers approached."



http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/230772


"police hostage negotiator was reported to have been speaking to the man.

Pete Rendina, spokesman for the US Postal Inspection Service, said the man, who was missing part of his leg, had made no demands other than a request for a pizza."



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8429274.stm




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apdst said:
Sometimes, yes. Sometimes, no.
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Absolutely correct. In a confined space with someone who knows what they are doing a knife can be far more deadly. You don't need to reload a knife.
 
texmaster said:
Absolutely correct. In a confined space with someone who knows what they are doing a knife can be far more deadly. You don't need to reload a knife.
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There it is and it's been shown that with he right crowd, people are going to take down an attacker that has a knife.
 
I'm going to post some links to some pictures of knife wounds. So heed the following warning...If a mod deems them inappropriate I do apologize and have no problem what so ever of you deleting this thread. The only reason that I am posting these links is to educate people that people with knives can be just as dangerous as someone with a gun given the right circumstances. Sometimes talking about something with out a reference leads to false ideologies. In this case it can even lead to a false sense of security.

The following links contain pictures of knife wounds that are extremely graphic and is not suitible for children or to view at work.

This first one is the only one that I have knowledge of. And only because I read an article about it. Unfortenately I could not find that article. It is a police officer that was trying to bring down someone that had a knife. The criminal was considered an expert knife fighter due to military training if I recall correctly.

Police officer

Slit throat

Guts poking out

Guts out
 
If people want to commit murder, they'll find a weapon. If guns are absent, they'll find something else. That fact aside, murderers who use guns are far more likely to succeed than if they use a knife or a blunt instrument. Same with suicides. This is fact.

Bullets have way more shearing force than knives. A knife has to contend with bones, muscle tissue, and self-defense postures of the victim. A bullet can slice through all of those in an instant, and if the bullet fragments on impact it does even more damage.

Guns vs. knives... there is no contest.
 
Kal'Stang said:
I'm going to post some links to some pictures of knife wounds. So heed the following warning...If a mod deems them inappropriate I do apologize and have no problem what so ever of you deleting this thread. The only reason that I am posting these links is to educate people that people with knives can be just as dangerous as someone with a gun given the right circumstances. Sometimes talking about something with out a reference leads to false ideologies. In this case it can even lead to a false sense of security.

The following links contain pictures of knife wounds that are extremely graphic and is not suitible for children or to view at work.

This first one is the only one that I have knowledge of. And only because I read an article about it. Unfortenately I could not find that article. It is a police officer that was trying to bring down someone that had a knife. The criminal was considered an expert knife fighter due to military training if I recall correctly.

Police officer

Slit throat

Guts poking out

Guts out
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I am not ceertain about the rest; however the wound displayed under the "Police Officer" link is not that of a police officer. It is the end result of a prison shank attack.

I believe those wounds yielded over two hundred stitches.
 
ukangel said:
Its debateable that you cant do more damage with a gun than a knife. Imagine if the Columbine murderers had knives not guns might the result have been less bloodshed ?
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I personally am better with a gun than a knife, but don't let that fool you. A gunshot by a trained marksman is a clean wound, a knife is an elongated wound, and if it is a sharp/smooth blade you are lucky. The idea behind wounding in a combat sense is to make a "dirty" wound, that is, something harder to stitch up, harder to heal, thus more likely to result in a fatality, with a gun, I can hit center mass 5/10 times, but that is little comfort if I am attacking you with a knife, as I have to hack and stab at you repeatedly to affect the same outcome(death). I am not psychotic or otherwise intent on killing, however, please ask yourselves....if someone were, do you want a quick kill or a slow one.
 
Frodly said:
You are aware of the amazing modern medical advancement known as antibiotics correct?
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Not all infections are easily curable with medicine, such as gangrene, resistant staph, other blood born agents, etc. And all of these are found on inanimate objects.


Are you seriously of the belief that if you were in an confined space with a dozen or more people, and some one came in stabbing people, that you would not attempt to fight back?
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I just saw a story this year of a college kid getting decapitated on a college campus while the rest of her co-eds looked on in horror. This is a bad example.
Of course you would, and since a knife is a close range weapon, a group of people would almost certainly be successful in fighting the person off.
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This assumes that the people in question have a sense of duty other than self, this isn't always the case, I personally would try to rally a defense around a group. But without someone there to do so......?
 
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