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You need to go to doctor and get those annual check-ups.
Not according to the Government....
You need to go to doctor and get those annual check-ups.
Not according to the Government....
No, you're not following. It isn't about what they can afford, entirely. It is what it costs others. You have it wrong. The legal premise is the same.
Fifty one.
I see no evidence that the other money wasters are primarily from the uninsured.
Sounds good to me. What's the problem?Higher Insurance Premiums for all!!!!
and to all a good ****ing!!!
Merry Christmas!!!
explain please??
Reference to the Government study saying women under 50 do not need to be screened for breast cancer.
So..."Driving" is to "Car Insurance", what "Living" is to "Health Insurance"? :lol:
For others that may want some added clarity.
The federal government is now going to force private citizens to buy a commodity. This is a first in American history. Before... every purchase was by choice. It is a very dangerous precedent.
Why not force citizens to buy guys for homeland protection?
Why not force citizens to buy electric cars for clean air?
Why not force citizens to by stopping smoking patches for their own health?
Why not force citizens to by jogging shoes to stay healthy?
We should never set the precedent that private citizens are forced to by any private commodity. The government was supposed to answer to us, this is a perverse change that is highly destructive if allowed to happen. For the good of the nation, I hope an honest court receives this case and upholds over 200 years of jurisprudence.
True.
Using the ER as a clinic
More insured and uninsured consumers are getting their primary care in emergency rooms, wasting $14 billion every year in health care spending.
"This is an inappropriate use of the ER," said Dee Swanson, president of the American Academy of Nurse Practitioners. "You don't go to the ER for strep throat."
Since emergency rooms are legally obligated to treat all patients, Swanson said providers ultimately find ways to pass on the cost for treating the uninsured to other patients, such as to those who pay out-of-pocket for their medical care.
Dees also took issue with consumers who don't get primary care for their diabetes or blood pressure on a timely basis, hence finding themselves in the ER.
"Going to the doctor for strep throat would cost $65-$70. In the ER, it's $600 to $800," he said.
Health care's six money-wasting problems - Aug. 10, 2009
Using the emergency room as a clinic
Because emergency rooms are legally obligated to treat all patients, more insured and uninsured patients are getting their primary care in emergency rooms. An emergency room visit for a routine condition can cost 10 times what the same medical care would cost at an urgent care clinic. Not only are unnecessary emergency room visits a waste of medical resources, many uninsured patients cannot or do not pay their emergency room bills, and medical providers ultimately find ways to pass on the costs to insured patients and uninsured patients who do pay out-of-pocket.
Health-Care Dollars down the Drain
However, this does seem like something that is self evident. Nothing is free. Cost has to be made up somehow.
Your use of the word primary made me think for a second, can it be significant without being primary? Again, I'm not arguing it is the only problem, but a significant one.
Just a note about this. I know the above is a problem but having the gov't in charge doesn't necessarily solve the problem. My family and I use the Emergency Room more *BECAUSE* we have government health care (my husband is in the military). Gov't doctors work shorter hours and don't have an answering service for after hours or weekend calls. You're told to go to the ER. Well, there is a dial-a-nurse but due to legal reasons they no longer can give much useful advice. Most of it is stuff you can figure out yourself reading a Tylenol bottle, for example, so you're on your own if your kid has a high fever or something. I've had those dial-a-nurses say, "well, can't you call your doctor?" and I have to say "No, we're military". They're sympathetic but it doesn't really help. It was the same when we were stationed in Germany and used their health care system :shrug: Gov't run health care is gov't run health care no matter where you are, imo.
We're currently stationed in a town too small for a military clinic and are using a civilian/non-gov't clinic and it is like heaven compared to what we are used to. So, no ER visits Much longer hours at the clinic and the people treat us so much better. I'm going to be sad if the gov't takes over more of this country's health care. Bad things happen when the gov't is in charge. That has been my experience for the past 16+ years, FWIW.
Well, do we have to pay others over those things? That is the common thread that the premise for both auto insurance and health insurance is based on.
More like the cost of paying for your accident is to car insurance what making others pay for your care is to health insurance.
No we do not. I know plenty of people that do not own guns.
You are trolling.
My father does not have to buy auto insurance. Under this law he is forced to buy health insurance. As soon as we do that to one citizen we have subverted the constitution.
How exactly is it that everyone theoretically pays for those without insurance? Is it because these uninsured parties get operations, set the hospitals or doctors back, who then pass on the cost to those who pay for insured people, i.e. the Insurance Companies and Government programs? And is the amount of money lost each year really a significant percentage of all the money made in the health care industry? I mean, I never have heard anyone complain about people stealing health care. Is this because it always gets paid for one way or another?
OK, you lost me. This makes non sense at all.
He will use the health care system at some point. If he is not independently wealthy, he won't be able to afford it. If he can't afford it, we will pay for it.
You're a troll. Sorry... I am not biting.
You are not even clever... as far as trolls go.
I did address this earlier. If you use a provider and can't pay for it, costs are passed along to those who can pay, either themselves or through your insurance. Also, by not being able to do preventive care, they are sicker and require more, which again is a cost picked up by others.
So requiring people to buy health insurance that they can't already afford in the first place solves this?
Well, the public option sure would have made that easier, but there are previsions concerning cost aren't there?
Wouldn't know. I almost cried when I tried navigating the 2000+ pages. It's all in technical jargon as well so half the time I don't know what the hell is going on in that damn thing.
Wouldn't know. I almost cried when I tried navigating the 2000+ pages. It's all in technical jargon as well so half the time I don't know what the hell is going on in that damn thing.