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Iran Test-Fires Its Longest-Range Missile

You may not see it as the same, but I believe that Iran does. They see Israel as a proxy of the West, including the US

Maybe some do. But the vast majority of the conflict has been around Israel. Iran could hit us if they wanted to via unconventional means and has been able to for decades. It's really not hard to smuggle weapons into the US.

I wasn't commenting on the last president. That is not the reality of today.

Indeed, the economics of Iran have changed quite drastically. However, comparing today to back then suggests it's almost entirely posturing. When the economy was good, we didn't hear such statements and even got a peace proposal. When the economy is in the toilet, out comes the threats.
 
You think that is so simple? It is a very time consuming operation, and it is hard to be sure you got all of them.

Especially when there's a war on. Operating a mine sweeper in water when people are shooting at each other isn't exactly the most efficient operation. Furthermore, who in their right mind is going to sail a supertanker through a war zone?
 
Especially when there's a war on. Operating a mine sweeper in water when people are shooting at each other isn't exactly the most efficient operation. Furthermore, who in their right mind is going to sail a supertanker through a war zone?

Which makes any potential Iranian threat to close off the Strait of Hormuz completely plausible.
 
Our history of meddling in the internal affairs of other nations, propping up dictators, toppling a government, imposing sanctions and embargoes, supporting Israel, placing US troops on their soil, etc, etc.

What haven't we done to piss these people off? At some point, some will say enough is enough and strike back.

It's called blowback and not unexpected. Our problems are the direct result of an interventionist foreign policy.

I am really so tired of reading garbage like this. Russia has directly controlled, terrorized, murdered far more people, in far more countries, than the US - and lo and behold, no one is blowing up their buildings.

The chechnyans here and there, but nowhere near what the US faces - so where does that fit in your equation?
 
There was a civil government established in post-WW1 Germany, it was called The Weimar Republic. A Liberal Democracy that was too weak to prevent a tyrrant from taking over the government and voiding the 1919 Constitution.

Look at pre-WW2 Germany and you'll see history repeating itself.

Yes, I know, and something should have been done to help keep the democracy in power, but they failed to do so - just as Jimmy Carter allowed the Shah of Iran to be overthrown by Khomeini - hence, my analogy - history always repeats itself - some people are too stupid to understand history in the first place and/or too stupid to understand that it repeats itself.

Iran must be made to conform to the civilized world before they cause anymore damage - otherwise it should go by way of Nazi Germany - rubble and bad history.
 
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I am really so tired of reading garbage like this. Russia has directly controlled, terrorized, murdered far more people, in far more countries, than the US - and lo and behold, no one is blowing up their buildings.

The chechnyans here and there, but nowhere near what the US faces - so where does that fit in your equation?

Garbage? It's the truth. All superpowers meddle and try to control strategic interests. If you call that garbage you failed the class. And Russian has had it's fair shair of bombings and terrorism right there in mother Russia. It's in the news. Where have you been?

So we're counting bodies and the one with the least bodies is benevolent? Please.
 
Who needs mines? Just sink a few large ships in the strait. One doesn't need to entire close it off, just make it unnavigable for large ships, which really isn't that hard considering just how narrow parts of the strait are and how big some of the oil transports are. And hell they don't even need to attack. Raise the threat level to the point where insurance is not practical and oil prices explode. Raising oil prices to a ultra high point has the same effect as shutting down the strait in terms of hurting us via our reliance on oil.

The United States Navy excels at clearing a waterway, demolition shreds this unnavigable issue, oil flows freely in days.

But I do like this reliance on oil, yes, everyone relies on oil, every industrialized nation. Meaining we should probably be drilling here at home...number one...two, Iran relies on oil as well. Her exports cut off, her inability to refine oil(she must import 80% of her gasoline), Iran is done. Toast.

Let's play some cards and find out what happens.
 
Which makes any potential Iranian threat to close off the Strait of Hormuz completely plausible.

Correct, and exactly why the 5th Fleet steams Strait up and down the Iranian Hormuz on a daily basis.
 
We could all go back to work if they closed the straits.
 
The United States Navy excels at clearing a waterway, demolition shreds this unnavigable issue, oil flows freely in days.

Any idea just how unnavigable the debris from several supertankers actually is?

But I do like this reliance on oil, yes, everyone relies on oil, every industrialized nation. Meaining we should probably be drilling here at home.

Not really when you understand how commodity markets work. What we should be doing is getting off oil entirely. Or as much as we can.

number one...two, Iran relies on oil as well. Her exports cut off, her inability to refine oil(she must import 80% of her gasoline), Iran is done. Toast.

No question that Iran would be screwed if it could not export oil.
 
Especially when there's a war on. Operating a mine sweeper in water when people are shooting at each other isn't exactly the most efficient operation. Furthermore, who in their right mind is going to sail a supertanker through a war zone?

We did it during the Iran-Iraq War we did it during Desert Storm. I'm guessing you don't know much about our Mine Sweepers.
 
Who needs mines? Just sink a few large ships in the strait. One doesn't need to entire close it off, just make it unnavigable for large ships, which really isn't that hard considering just how narrow parts of the strait are and how big some of the oil transports are. And hell they don't even need to attack. Raise the threat level to the point where insurance is not practical and oil prices explode. Raising oil prices to a ultra high point has the same effect as shutting down the strait in terms of hurting us via our reliance on oil.

Sink a few ships? Just a few?..... to close off a strait that is 29 Nautical miles wide at it's narrowest point? Do you have any idea of how many ships it would take to even make that a credible threat? :rofl
 
Scorpion89 said to obvious Child, "We did it during the Iran-Iraq War we did it during Desert Storm. I'm guessing you don't know much about our Mine Sweepers."

Good guess.
 
Crunch asks of obvious Child, "Do you have any idea of how many ships it would take to even make that a credible threat?"

The only thing obvious about that child is that it's obvious he has no idea whatsoever.
 
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Scorpion89 said to obvious Child, "We did it during the Iran-Iraq War we did it during Desert Storm. I'm guessing you don't know much about our Mine Sweepers."

Good guess.

Yea maybe OC should read up on MCM Avenger class Ships and the fact that we have three on Station in Bahrain MCM 11 USS Gladiator, MCM 12 USS Ardent and MCM 13 USS Dextrous. Along with these three ship two others are slated to join them on long term TDY MCM 14 USS Cheif and MCM 8 USS Scout. Oh and lets not forget the SSNB that we have on Station along with the ASW Airplateforms that are based out of Bahrain and Rota Spain.
 
Yea maybe OC should read up on MCM Avenger class Ships and the fact that we have three on Station in Bahrain MCM 11 USS Gladiator, MCM 12 USS Ardent and MCM 13 USS Dextrous. Along with these three ship two others are slated to join them on long term TDY MCM 14 USS Cheif and MCM 8 USS Scout. Oh and lets not forget the SSNB that we have on Station along with the ASW Airplateforms that are based out of Bahrain and Rota Spain.

That one should learn about what's what first, but that one won't.

Hence, the mentality thinking sinking a few ships will somehow block the Gulf of Oman.

You'd think that when he typed the word "sink" it would have sunk in that they would be on the bottom of the sea and ships could cruise right over them like they weren't even there.

Somehow he must be thinking that when a ship sinks it doesn't really sink, that's it's blown to big pieces which will be strewn all over the surface making it impossible to get through.

That's a liberal for you - LOL - I guess he doesn't realize that ships are made of steel and when they are sunk they go directly to the bottom.
 
We did it during the Iran-Iraq War we did it during Desert Storm. I'm guessing you don't know much about our Mine Sweepers.

I wasn't aware that during the Iran-Iraq war numerous supertankers were sunk in the narrowest part of the strait. Care to provide evidence of such an occurrence? I wasn't aware that sizable amounts of activity were at the Strait of Hormuz, care to provide evidence of such an occurrence? I wasn't aware that that during the Iran-Iraq war that either side was actively shooting at supertankers that were flagged by other nations. Care to provide evidence of such an occurrence?

And it's amusing watching people thank what is essentially a lie.
 
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Sink a few ships? Just a few?..... to close off a strait that is 29 Nautical miles wide at it's narrowest point? Do you have any idea of how many ships it would take to even make that a credible threat? :rofl

Do you understand just how little of that 29 miles is actual navigable in the first place?

Do you understand just how debris a supertanker would cast off?
 
Wars also provide clear solutions, in fact, ultimate solutions.

You mean like WW1 that was to be the war to end all wars? :rofl

Name me one war that was the ultimate solution. Even WWII, which I believe was justified had Germany split into a communist east zone and the beginning of the cold war. Ultimately we had the Korean conflct and then we were hell bent on stopping the communist threat and got bogged down in Vietnam.

Getting involved in the middle east in Desert Storm ultimately led to 911.



It is obvious what they are doing and therefore...why not 'touch' them now while they're in the infant stages of developing a nuke?

Because it could make things worse. Not only mess up the worlds oil supply by clogging the Hormuz strait, but make Iran instead of just wanting to become a major player in their region, more determined to actually use WMD's in the long run for revenge.
 
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Do you understand just how little of that 29 miles is actual navigable in the first place?

Do you understand just how debris a supertanker would cast off?

LOL - I will probably get another infraction for this - but, whatever - obvious Child, you're an idiot.

This thread is about Iran testing long range missiles and you are ranting about other shiit you have no clue about.

What the heck does sinking a few ships have to do with stopping a missile launch against our allies? - you're a zipperhead - and there ain't no doubt about it.

I mean, what's up with you? - Are you some kind of anti-anti black hole or something, defying all that is existent, or just a typical butthole?

My guess is the latter.
 
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LOL - I will probably get another infraction for this - but, whatever - obvious Child, you're an idiot.

This thread is about Iran testing long range missiles and you are ranting about other shiit you have no clue about.

What the heck does sinking a few ships have to do with stopping a missile launch against our allies? - you're a zipperhead - and there ain't no doubt about it.

I mean what's up with you? - Are you some kind of anti-anti black hole or something, defying all that is existent, or just a typical butthole?

My guess is the latter.

You can call him all the names you want but it won't make you sound knowledgeable.

Sinking ships in the Hormuz strait, and blocking the movement of supertankers, which Iran threatens to do if they are attacked has everything to do with this discussion. Sounds to me like you are the one that doesn't have a clue.
 
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You can call him all the names you want but it won't make you sound knowledgeable.

Sinking ships in the Hormuz strait, and blocking the movement of supertankers, which Iran threatens to do if they are attacked has everything to do with this discussion. Sounds to me like you are the one that doesn't have a clue.

LOL - get a grip - do you actually believe that the U.S. is dumb enough, or that if Iran had the stupidity to sink ships against the U.S. it would ever have an impact on anything?

All it would do is give us is the excuse to wipe their noses for them.

From this thread, what part of they are like you, dumb ass, lame wusses, do you not get?

Much, much better men have gone up against the U.S. and have failed miserably.

And why do you suppose this is? Because we are a proud, free people.

I can elaborate on this, but your lame ass isn't worth it - too stupid, or too set in stupid ways to ever understand.

"Like Iran threatens to do" - LOL - like we are to shiver in our boots - LOL - they are morons headed for disaster - don't believe me - watch the show as it unfolds - the more they threaten and cause harm against the western world, the more they will suffer the consequences in the future.

Hey! It's the way it is - facts are facts.
 
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LOL - get a grip - you actually believe that the U.S. is dumb enough or that if Iran had the stupidity to sink ships against the U.S. it would ever have an impact on anything?

All it would do is give us is the excuse to wipe their noses for them.

From this thread, what part of they are like you, dumb ass, lame wusses, do you not get?

Much, much better men have gone up against the U.S. and have failed miserably.

And why do you suppose this is? Because we are a free people.

I can elaborate on this, but your lame ass isn't worth it- too stupid, or too set in stupid ways to ever understand.

If you're so smart and I'm so dumb why are you on the verge of getting banned? :confused:

You're obviously not interested in an intelligent debate, or just don't have the ability, so I won't waste my time any further.
 
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