• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Iran Test-Fires Its Longest-Range Missile

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Yes, Chamberlain was doing TONS wrong with his country's foreign policy.

He rebuffed the Soviets, he didn't tell France to get a backbone, and he didn't do enough to re-arm England, and otherwise abetted Hitler by his incompetence and inaction.

WWII could have been prevented at several points in Hitler's career if only the French and British had had spines.
Click to expand...

Actually, the French were the ones for years throughout the 1930s who warned the UK about the growing problem in Germany. It fell on deaf ears.
 
ludahai said:
They have been invading and conquering Christian lands since nearly 1400 years ago?!?!? What more evidence do you need?
Click to expand...

Iran? Iran as we know it didn't exist 1400 years ago. Jeese another historical revisionist. :lol:
 
EnigmaO01 said:
That's weird. I don't see Iran invading its neighbors. Oh darn don't you just hate it when amateurs try and make parallels in history that don't exist?

:rofl:rofl:rofl
Click to expand...

But they have most certainly used proxies to attack at least one and regularly threatens it with destruction.
 
ludahai said:
But they have most certainly used proxies to attack at least one
Click to expand...

Which is expected when conventional warfare would obviously result in a defeat. Iran is not run by idiots despite the lunatic rantings to the contrary. They use asymmetrical because symmetrical is a losing proposition. No one in their right mind fights an enemy where they are strongest. Did the Republican Guard repeat Desert Storm? No. They learned their lesson.

and regularly threatens it with destruction.
Click to expand...

Check out what the last president said about Israel.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Iran? Iran as we know it didn't exist 1400 years ago. Jeese another historical revisionist. :lol:
Click to expand...

1. Muslims have been doing this for 1400 years.

2. Iran is the successor state to Persia. The Persians and Persian states have been involved in the wars against Christian lands. The Sassanid Empire (a Persian empire) made multple attacks on the Eastern Empire -- a Christian Empire. The Persified Great Seljuk Empire (whose capital was in Persia) also made numerous attacks against Christian lands.

3. Other Muslim groups, especially the Arabs, but also the Ottoman Empire, have a long history if attacking and conquering Christian lands.

Why shouldn't the Christian world respond? Instead, we condemn the very Crusades that were undertaken to counter centuries of Muslim aggression.

We also know that this current regime has threatened the democratic nation of Israel. In the long history of the wars between Islam and Christianiaty, one of the few Muslim rulers who had any sense of honor was Saladin.
 
when's the president going to engage that personal diplomacy he campaigned on?
 
obvious Child said:
Which is expected when conventional warfare would obviously result in a defeat. Iran is not run by idiots despite the lunatic rantings to the contrary. They use asymmetrical because symmetrical is a losing proposition. No one in their right mind fights an enemy where they are strongest. Did the Republican Guard repeat Desert Storm? No. They learned their lesson.
Click to expand...

To wit, we should understand that they ARE in a war with us and we should respond accordingly.

Check out what the last president said about Israel.
Click to expand...

Care to clarify?
 
ludahai said:
1. Muslims have been doing this for 1400 years.

2. Iran is the successor state to Persia. The Persians and Persian states have been involved in the wars against Christian lands. The Sassanid Empire (a Persian empire) made multple attacks on the Eastern Empire -- a Christian Empire. The Persified Great Seljuk Empire (whose capital was in Persia) also made numerous attacks against Christian lands.

3. Other Muslim groups, especially the Arabs, but also the Ottoman Empire, have a long history if attacking and conquering Christian lands.

Why shouldn't the Christian world respond? Instead, we condemn the very Crusades that were undertaken to counter centuries of Muslim aggression.

We also know that this current regime has threatened the democratic nation of Israel. In the long history of the wars between Islam and Christianiaty, one of the few Muslim rulers who had any sense of honor was Saladin.
Click to expand...

Oh I get it. You're putting all Muslims in the same category and judging them by the actions of their ancestors. Can we apply the same standards to Christians then? If so it will quickly become apparent you're pushing a double standard here.

Hell if you want to be fair Manifest Destiny in the New World was nothing more than an excuse by the Christians to commit genocide and enslave people.

Sorry but I get very cynical when people justify bad things with religion.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Oh I get it. You're putting all Muslims in the same category and judging them by the actions of their ancestors. Can we apply the same standards to Christians then? If so it will quickly become apparent you're pushing a double standard here.

Hell if you want to be fair Manifest Destiny in the New World was nothing more than an excuse by the Christians to commit genocide and enslave people.
Click to expand...

This is about the Islamic-Christian conflict that has been ongoing for nearly 1400 years. We are judging Iran now only on the actions of the past, but also on what they are doing today and have done since the revolution in 1979 where they have repeatedly violated international law and United Nations Security Council resolutions.

The Muslims look at this as a continuation of a 1400-year-old conflict that they initiated with the idea of converted the world to Islam. Pope Urban II understood the threat. Too bad with our political correctness of today that we not only don't understand the history, but condemn the efforts of our own side to fight back.
 
ludahai said:
To wit, we should understand that they ARE in a war with us and we should respond accordingly.
Click to expand...

Iran is more accurately in a proxy war with Israel.

Care to clarify?
Click to expand...

It's night to day compared to the current president. And it was under him that the Grand Bargain was proposed which would effectively bring a recognized peace between Iran and Israel.

Iran?Israel relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The worst he called Israel was a "parasite." Which if you look at the net transfer of dollar valued assets between the US and Israel is not that far off.

Also remember that the economy under Khatami was excellent with economic expansion, cheap gas and lots of jobs. Interestingly enough, we did not hear the kind of statements that get put up in the press until Ahmadinejad's futile economic attempts at boosting the economy failed.
 
ludahai said:
This is about the Islamic-Christian conflict that has been ongoing for nearly 1400 years. We are judging Iran now only on the actions of the past, but also on what they are doing today and have done since the revolution in 1979 where they have repeatedly violated international law and United Nations Security Council resolutions.

The Muslims look at this as a continuation of a 1400-year-old conflict that they initiated with the idea of converted the world to Islam. Pope Urban II understood the threat. Too bad with our political correctness of today that we not only don't understand the history, but condemn the efforts of our own side to fight back.
Click to expand...

Yep they are the bad guys and Christians are the good guys. The record shows that. Got it. :roll:
 
obvious Child said:
Iran is more accurately in a proxy war with Israel.
Click to expand...

If you believe that, you are not looking at the whole picture.

Remember the bombing in Lebanon? What about Iranian connected groups in Iraq?



Sorry, I thought you were refering to the US president, not the Iranian "president."
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Yep they are the bad guys and Christians are the good guys. The record shows that. Got it. :roll:
Click to expand...

Who started the Islam-Christian wars?

Who embarked on a centuries-long war to conquer Christian lands?

How many formerly Christian lands that were conquered by Muslims still under Muslim control? How about other religions? How many former Buddhist and Hindu lands are now Muslim. Why? Nearly all of it was due to military expansion. The major exceptions to that are Southeast Asia and parts of West Africa.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Here's a clue: Strait of Hormuz threat by Iran. If you don't know anything about it Google it.
Click to expand...

Now, do you really think Iran has the naval power to close the Straits of Hormuz? Ever hear of The Gulf of Aden???
 
ludahai said:
If you believe that, you are not looking at the whole picture.

Remember the bombing in Lebanon? What about Iranian connected groups in Iraq?
Click to expand...

Has Hezbollah and Hamas repetitively attacked the US? No. And Iran saw an opportunity in Iraq to limit US mobility. Does this mean they are in the same war with Israel with us? Not really.

Sorry, I thought you were refering to the US president, not the Iranian "president."
Click to expand...

Still, the last President who had a good economy had literally night and day comments about Israel compared to the current president. People here frankly ignore how local unrest caused by weak economies causes less then democratic leaders to find other ways of gaining legitimacy. Despite being basic political unity 101 (and we often see examples in the US), it somewhat gets ignored.
 
ludahai said:
Ever hear of mines?
Click to expand...

Who needs mines? Just sink a few large ships in the strait. One doesn't need to entire close it off, just make it unnavigable for large ships, which really isn't that hard considering just how narrow parts of the strait are and how big some of the oil transports are. And hell they don't even need to attack. Raise the threat level to the point where insurance is not practical and oil prices explode. Raising oil prices to a ultra high point has the same effect as shutting down the strait in terms of hurting us via our reliance on oil.
 
obvious Child said:
Has Hezbollah and Hamas repetitively attacked the US? No. And Iran saw an opportunity in Iraq to limit US mobility. Does this mean they are in the same war with Israel with us? Not really.
Click to expand...

You may not see it as the same, but I believe that Iran does. They see Israel as a proxy of the West, including the US

last President who had a good economy had literally night and day comments about Israel compared to the current president. People here frankly ignore how local unrest caused by weak economies causes less then democratic leaders to find other ways of gaining legitimacy. Despite being basic political unity 101 (and we often see examples in the US), it somewhat gets ignored.
Click to expand...

I wasn't commenting on the last president. That is not the reality of today.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom