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DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

jallman said:
How about you demonstrate where this could be a budget fight and how this bill relates to the budget?
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Simple Congress must pass all Laws that the City Council puts forth if the Democrats try to push this thru then Cons. Dems and Main Stream Rep. will force a fight over the Districts Budget this isn't the first time the District has put themself into a sticky problem with Congress.



jallman said:
Well enlightend us. You've yet to demonstrate how this can become a fight.
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I just did see above



jallman said:
Anything like a statement from a congressman to back this up?
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Officially no but Un-Officially there has been talk by both sides that this wasn't one of the smarts things that the City Council has done.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Officially no
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Then "officially" you are just making wild conjectures and until you have something "official", this argument is "officially" a fantasy you are trying to peddle as reality.

Sort of like your girlfriend living in DC and DC driver's licenses coming from Maryland or Virginia.
 
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jallman said:
Then she doesn't live in DC, does she? :doh
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Yes she does Georgetown is still part of the District just like Arlington is part of the District.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Simple Congress must pass all Laws that the City Council puts forth if the Democrats try to push this thru then Cons. Dems and Main Stream Rep. will force a fight over the Districts Budget this isn't the first time the District has put themself into a sticky problem with Congress.
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It has to go to congress. There is no evidence whatsoever there will be a real fight over this. No one is going to stop funding DC, that is just stupid.


I just did see above
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And I can show you how it won't, using the same method you used: it won't be a fight.


Officially no but Un-Officially there has been talk by both sides that this wasn't one of the smarts things that the City Council has done.
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Source? This sounds like wild conjecture, and I have heard nothing.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Yes she does Georgetown is still part of the District just like Arlington is part of the District.
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No, they are not. They have Virginia and Maryland addresses. If they were part of the District, they would have DC addresses. Your girlfriend may say DC but she lives in Georgetown Maryland.

Sort of like living in "LA" but having a Hollywood address.

You need to just consult a map and the postal service web site. This conversation is pointless by now. You aren't going to accept a fact if it comes up and bites you on the ass so I'm basically talking to a wall at this point.
 
jallman said:
No, they are not. They have Virginia and Maryland addresses. If they were part of the District, they would have DC addresses. Your girlfriend may say DC but she lives in Georgetown Maryland.

Sort of like living in "LA" but having a Hollywood address.

You need to just consult a map and the postal service web site. This conversation is pointless by now. You aren't going to accept a fact if it comes up and bites you on the ass so I'm basically talking to a wall at this point.
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I looked it up, it's Georgetown, Washington DC. There is no mention of Georgetown being part of any state, which is to be expected since DC is not part of any state.
 
Scorpion89 said:
How about there City Budget to start with oh and you don't see a battle over this really I take it you understand this fight very well. The far Right Republicans in Congress will make this into a Fight they will force this onto the Floor for a vote. This is going to be a fight and I wouldn't be surprised to see this become a National Item after the first of the year.
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What city budget? Dude. Wikipedia is your friend.

Washington, D.C. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

The mayor and council adopt a local budget, which must be approved by Congress. Local income, sales, and property taxes provide about 67% of the revenue to fund city government agencies and services. Like the 50 states, D.C. receives federal grants for assistance programs such as Medicare, accounting for approximately 26% of the city's total revenue. Congress also appropriates money to the District's government to help offset some of the city's security costs; these funds totaled $38 million in 2007, approximately 0.5% of the District's budget.[146] The Federal government operates the District's court system,[147] and all federal law enforcement agencies, most visibly the U.S. Park Police, have jurisdiction in the city and help provide security as well.[148] All local felony charges are prosecuted by the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia.[149] U.S. Attorneys are appointed by the President and funded by the United States Department of Justice.[150] In total, the federal government provided about 33% of the District's general revenue.[151] On average, federal funds formed about 30% the states' general revenues in 2007.[152]
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So what have we established?

1. The 'police' from Virginia and Maryland have no jurisdiction in what is considered The District of Columbia. Not sure where you got that bit of information from.

2. The budget of D.C. consists of local funds from people living in D.C. & federal funds. Just like the budget of every other city/state in the country.

What are you talking about? What is the problem with the city's budget? And how does gay marriage create a problem for this budget? What changes? Please instead of just throwing out red herrings why don't you tell us what Virginia and Maryland have to do with two guys sucking dick in D.C.! FOR ****S SAKE!
 
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Redress said:
I looked it up, it's Georgetown, Washington DC. There is no mention of Georgetown being part of any state, which is to be expected since DC is not part of any state.
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If Georgetown is part of D.C. and she lives in D.C. then there is no way she could have a Maryland DL. Unless of course she can pays bills in her name in Maryland and the DMV allows them as proof.

District of Columbia: Department of Motor Vehicles - Services - Drivers' Licenses - Getting Your Learners' Permit

Requirements
Proof of name and date of birth (must be at least 16 years of age)
Proof of DC Residency
Proof of Social Security Number
No outstanding debts to the District of Columbia or unpaid fines for moving traffic violations in other jurisdictions
Proof of parental approval (if applicant is 16 or 17 years old)
All documents required for obtaining a DC driver's license
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And obviously unless she lived in Georgetown pre-1790.
 
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Redress said:
I looked it up, it's Georgetown, Washington DC. There is no mention of Georgetown being part of any state, which is to be expected since DC is not part of any state.
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I found a Georgetown, Maryland reference. I thought GT was part of DC...at least it seemed that way last time I was there. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in Georgetown, though.
 
texmaster said:
If the people vote it in, no problem but circumventing the people is the only way this has passed any state so far.
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Pretty much ever law in every state is passed this way, not directly by referendum. Why should this be any different?
 
Scorpion89 said:
Yes she does Georgetown is still part of the District just like Arlington is part of the District.
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Arlington is not part of the District. Not since 1846.
 
misterman said:
Pretty much ever law in every state is passed this way, not directly by referendum. Why should this be any different?
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psst....It's different because it's about teh gayz. And we all know tradition and protocol matter until it comes to Adam and Steve sucking dick in their own bedroom. Then it's "at any cost" to save Baby Jeebus from learning about sex ed from unwed teenage mothers who were kidnapped and impregnated by homo Hitler on 9-11.

Or whatever their justification for stomping on the Constitution is this week.
 
jallman said:
I found a Georgetown, Maryland reference. I thought GT was part of DC...at least it seemed that way last time I was there. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in Georgetown, though.
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There is a Georgetown in Maryland, but it's nowhere near the Georgetown in DC. That Georgetown used to be a separate town but is now just a neighborhood of DC.
 
jallman said:
psst....It's different because it's about teh gayz. And we all know tradition and protocol matter until it comes to Adam and Steve sucking dick in their own bedroom. Then it's "at any cost" to save Baby Jeebus from learning about sex ed from unwed teenage mothers who were kidnapped and impregnated by homo Hitler on 9-11.

Or whatever their justification for stomping on the Constitution is this week.
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Yes, the wonderful irony is that the DC Human Rights commission ruled that the law forbid a referendum on this - because you can't vote against human rights.

It's sick that black churches have been out front in opposing this too, they've lost alot of their credibility on civil rights.
 
This should clear things up.

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As you can tell, Arlington and the old part of Alexandria were once part of DC, but went back to Virginia in the 1800s. Georgetown is in DC.
 
misterman said:
Yes, the wonderful irony is that the DC Human Rights commission ruled that the law forbid a referendum on this - because you can't vote against human rights.

It's sick that black churches have been out front in opposing this too, they've lost alot of their credibility on civil rights.
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You know though...in California, they weren't even "out front" on it until all this money from Utah got injected into the system and this huge campaign to bring out their vote on prop 8 was instigated.

I wonder how vote would have gone if Obama hadn't been running. I wonder how much they would have cared to come out and vote on prop 8 if they weren't already energized to turn out for the Obama vote.
 
jallman said:
What District Funding is going to be leveraged against this law? It isn't a budget issue. What extra budgeting is going to be required to carry out this law?
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Congress has to approve the District's budgets, so it could simply declare that the District must change this law or recieve no money, regardless of what it is spent on. Not that it will.
 
jallman said:
You know though...in California, they weren't even "out front" on it until all this money from Utah got injected into the system and this huge campaign to bring out their vote on prop 8 was instigated.

I wonder how vote would have gone if Obama hadn't been running. I wonder how much they would have cared to come out and vote on prop 8 if they weren't already energized to turn out for the Obama vote.
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Yeah, Prop 8 was some interesting politics going on.
 
misterman said:
Yeah, Prop 8 was some interesting politics going on.
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That and disgusting the smear and lie campaign that was perpetrated by the supposed moral right.

They ran ads that were so far from true just to get people upset about issues that had nothing to do with prop 8 and were grounded entirely in fantasy.

The "family values" lobby is about neither family nore values. Unless you consider lying and mouthfoaming idiocy to be values you want your family to learn.

And people wonder why we have a breakdown in morality in this country and meanwhile we have the representatives of morality that are some of the biggest hypocrites on the face of the earth.
 
jallman said:
That and disgusting the smear and lie campaign that was perpetrated by the supposed moral right.

They ran ads that were so far from true just to get people upset about issues that had nothing to do with prop 8 and were grounded entirely in fantasy.

The "family values" lobby is about neither family nore values. Unless you consider lying and mouthfoaming idiocy to be values you want your family to learn.

And people wonder why we have a breakdown in morality in this country and meanwhile we have the representatives of morality that are some of the biggest hypocrites on the face of the earth.
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Whenever I hear someone spouting on about "saving marriage" I just say "I agree - we need to ban divorce."
 
misterman said:
Whenever I hear someone spouting on about "saving marriage" I just say "I agree - we need to ban divorce."
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Or execute Brittainy Spears and most other celebrities. And stop the Bachelor. And the Bachelorette. And shut down Vegas. And all the other things that have been diminishing marriage way longer than Rick and Steve getting mutual inheritance rights with a piece of paper.
 
jallman said:
That and disgusting the smear and lie campaign that was perpetrated by the supposed moral right.

They ran ads that were so far from true just to get people upset about issues that had nothing to do with prop 8 and were grounded entirely in fantasy.

The "family values" lobby is about neither family nore values. Unless you consider lying and mouthfoaming idiocy to be values you want your family to learn.

And people wonder why we have a breakdown in morality in this country and meanwhile we have the representatives of morality that are some of the biggest hypocrites on the face of the earth.
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You know my thoughts on gay 'marriage, but there's simply no denying the truth in your post here.

It's one thing to have a moral blemish somewhere in your distant past while trying to uphold a foundational pillar, but it's quite another to represent yourself pure as the wind driven snow when you're actually worse than you can hope to paint your opposition.
 
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