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Houston, Texas elects first openly gay mayor

texmaster said:
LOL You gotta love when the liberals just don't get it :rofl
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I get it better than you actually. By the way, how you coming on the evidence for your claim that gays are not created? Got any evidence at all yet? One peer reviewed source?
 
Redress said:
Essentially, gay women have the brain structure of strait men, and gay men have the brain structure of strait women. There is a link to the study in the thread on the NY gay marriage vote.
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Oh wow, really? can you link me or at least tell me the page number?
 
Kudos to Texas:)
 
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EpicDude86 said:
Hmmmm, interesting, though I'm still not sold on this. I'm trying to find out more about these studies and if they are in fact true, an option I'm surely open to accepting, then what say you about people with different brain structures attributing to other traits?
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Not sure what you are trying to ask here.
 
Redress said:
Essentially, gay women have the brain structure of strait men, and gay men have the brain structure of strait women. There is a link to the study in the thread on the NY gay marriage vote.
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And its already been exposed as a fraud since the scientist herself who conducted the study admitted she can't be sure its related to sexual orientation.

That's also on the thread :)
 
texmaster said:
And its already been exposed as a fraud since the scientist herself who conducted the study admitted she can't be sure its related to sexual orientation.

That's also on the thread :)
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You have a source? I am not seeing anything that backs up this claim of yours either, which seems to be a pattern. There is no way to know for sure the reason, but there is a definite correlation, which is what I am claiming.

And how you doing sourcing your claim that gays "are not created, to believe so is a fallacy"?
 
Redress said:
Not sure what you are trying to ask here.
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haha Now that I'm reading it, it makes less sense...but I guess I was trying to ask if similar brain structures between 'different' people is enough to afford them special rights or protections rather than just everyone accepting that they aren't really all that different, kind of like race. I dunno, it makes less sense to me now :lol:

Also, here's what I found about the study (I closed the window before I got the link but it was from a Gay and Lesbian site in the UK): "The Wellcome Trust Centre for neuro-imaging at University College London used magnetic resonance imaging, or MRI to look into the brains of 80 men and women, including 16 gays and 15 lesbians."

Not to sound pessimistic, but that doesn't seem like a large enough sample and doesn't show what percentage of the homosexual men and women actually displayed these traits or if all of them did. Even in such a small sample, this experiment should probably be done again on a larger scale and with more constants taken into consideration (but again I can't find the specific results, just what has been posted) And while the publishing companies of the links you sent me seem clean and objective, as do their parent companies, they don't provide all that much information other than the one with 6 MRI shots...not very compelling evidence for me...
 
EpicDude86 said:
haha Now that I'm reading it, it makes less sense...but I guess I was trying to ask if similar brain structures between 'different' people is enough to afford them special rights or protections rather than just everyone accepting that they aren't really all that different, kind of like race. I dunno, it makes less sense to me now :lol:
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No, I cannot see special rights or protections for any one. I believe in equal rights for all(with the obvious exception of those who are convicted of crimes).

Also, here's what I found about the study (I closed the window before I got the link but it was from a Gay and Lesbian site in the UK): "The Wellcome Trust Centre for neuro-imaging at University College London used magnetic resonance imaging, or MRI to look into the brains of 80 men and women, including 16 gays and 15 lesbians."

Not to sound pessimistic, but that doesn't seem like a large enough sample and doesn't show what percentage of the homosexual men and women actually displayed these traits or if all of them did. Even in such a small sample, this experiment should probably be done again on a larger scale and with more constants taken into consideration (but again I can't find the specific results, just what has been posted) And while the publishing companies of the links you sent me seem clean and objective, as do their parent companies, they don't provide all that much information other than the one with 6 MRI shots...not very compelling evidence for me...
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The study I linked to was 25 hetero and 20 homosexuals of each gender, and does not provide a number of "matches" I guess would be the best word for it. I am hopeful that there is a statically meaningful number of "matches", or this study should never have been published. New Scientist is well regarded and I doubt the article would have been published if the results where not statistically meaningful. Take that for what it is worth.
 
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new coup for you said:
I'm pretty sure i don't think like a woman.
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That is not what the results would mean. I believe that thinking as a man/women would have as much or more to do with hormones and brain structure.
 
Redress said:
No, I cannot see special rights or protections for any one. I believe in equal rights for all(with the obvious exception of those who are convicted of crimes).



The study I linked to was 25 hetero and 20 homosexuals of each gender, and does not provide a number of "matches" I guess would be the best word for it. I am hopeful that there is a statically meaningful number of "matches", or this study should never have been published. {i]New Scientist[/i] is well regarded and I doubt the article would have been published if the results where not statistically meaningful. Take that for what it is worth.
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If it were not the age of misinformation that it is, I would take the study at face value, but what with opinions and bias even in science, I simply cannot.
 
EpicDude86 said:
If it were not the age of misinformation that it is, I would take the study at face value, but what with opinions and bias even in science, I simply cannot.
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That is why I brought up New Scientist's reputation. At some point you have to start believing something, or you can gain no new knowledge. If we dismiss everything, we will never learn.
 
What party did Annise run in?
 
Redress said:
That is why I brought up New Scientist's reputation. At some point you have to start believing something, or you can gain no new knowledge. If we dismiss everything, we will never learn.
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Reputations are great, especially when people use them to further their agendas. I'm trying to be receptive, I'm researching this now, but I just don't want to just change my personal opinion because I saw a few questionable statistics online. True I'd be more liekly to believe a similar experiment that favored my mode of thinking, but that's just my initial reaction. I'll need to see some arguments against this, check their validity too, and then hopefully I'll feel educated enough to weight on the situation. 100 people isn't my idea of decent sample to compare to the entire population, there could be other factors involved in those similarities and differences, like geography. My skepticism comes from some studies regarding the size and shape of violent criminal's brains. They performed the study within a prison on violent and non-violent offenders. While they found some correlations, it doesn't account for the people who were outside that prison that were not tested and measured. I'm really trying to quadruple check everything these days.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
What party did Annise run in?
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She is a democrat according to wiki:[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annise_Parker]Annise Parker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
Redress said:
Damn you for being faster than me! Damn you!
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:rofl i tried to be faster xd.



But most of the mayors in Houston have been Democrats.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayor_of_Houston"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayor_of_Houston[/ame]
 
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