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Attacked Asian Students Afraid To Go to School

the makeout hobo said:
You made a claim, and I'm asking if you have personal knowledge about the claim, or whether it is second hand knowledge.
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I can confirm for you that Jallman's claim is on time and on target.
 
liblady said:
except, blacks are more likely to attend inferior schools than whites, and are less likely to have close, positive male role models.

education is an opportunity that isn't always equal.
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That's BS, too. I attended public school with white and blacks and we got as much out of it as we put into it.

Education is just as equal for blacks as it is for anyone else. It all depends on how much education you want to get while you're in school.
 
apdst said:
That's BS, too. I attended public school with white and blacks and we got as much out of it as we put into it.

Education is just as equal for blacks as it is for anyone else. It all depends on how much education you want to get while you're in school.
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Isn't it funny how nothing is ever the fault of the people involved? No, it's never the student's fault or the parent's fault that Tyrone is a straight D student with a disciplinary rap sheet that would make most convicts' eyes pop with surprise.

It's because the school he attends is "inferior".

Puh-lease.
 
jallman said:
Isn't it funny how nothing is ever the fault of the people involved? No, it's never the student's fault or the parent's fault that Tyrone is a straight D student with a disciplinary rap sheet that would make most convicts' eyes pop with surprise.

It's because the school he attends is "inferior".

Puh-lease.
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It's how Liberalism works. They always have to have a victim and a villain. The problems of the victim are always the fault of the villain and never ever is the victim responsible for his own problems.

And 99.99% of the time the villain is white and/or southern and/or American and/or Christian and/or male.
 
apdst said:
It's how Liberalism works. They always have to have a victim and a villain. The problems of the victim are always the fault of the villain and never ever is the victim responsible for his own problems.

And 99.99% of the time the villain is white and/or southern and/or American and/or Christian and/or male.
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Which I find ironic and this is why: To liberals, the dumbest people in the country are supposed to be the uneducated white rednecks of the south.

Yet urban blacks are disadvantaged because their schools are supposedly inferior to those of whites. :confused:

Rural white rednecks are supposedly perpetrating all manner of predations on the country and the world, inciting acts of terror and global warming (ooga booga booga). Yet the justice system is clogged with African American career criminals. :confused:

And white redneck bigots are supposedly still choking the life out of African American culture yet if an African American is killed, 93.1% of the time, it's by another African American. African Americans comprise 13.5% of the US population, but the make up 43% of all murder victims. :confused:


Liberal idealogy just does not jive with the raw data.
 
jallman said:
Which I find ironic and this is why: To liberals, the dumbest people in the country are supposed to be the uneducated white rednecks of the south.

Yet urban blacks are disadvantaged because their schools are supposedly inferior to those of whites. :confused:

Rural white rednecks are supposedly perpetrating all manner of predations on the country and the world, inciting acts of terror and global warming (ooga booga booga). Yet the justice system is clogged with African American career criminals. :confused:

And white redneck bigots are supposedly still choking the life out of African American culture yet if an African American is killed, 93.1% of the time, it's by another African American. African Americans comprise 13.5% of the US population, but the make up 43% of all murder victims. :confused:


Liberal idealogy just does not jive with the raw data.
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Well I'm liberal and I've been pointing that out this entire thread. There's a lot of other liberals who don't talk about it but feel the same way.
 
jallman said:
Which I find ironic and this is why: To liberals, the dumbest people in the country are supposed to be the uneducated white rednecks of the south.

Yet urban blacks are disadvantaged because their schools are supposedly inferior to those of whites. :confused:

Rural white rednecks are supposedly perpetrating all manner of predations on the country and the world, inciting acts of terror and global warming (ooga booga booga). Yet the justice system is clogged with African American career criminals. :confused:

And white redneck bigots are supposedly still choking the life out of African American culture yet if an African American is killed, 93.1% of the time, it's by another African American. African Americans comprise 13.5% of the US population, but the make up 43% of all murder victims. :confused:


Liberal idealogy just does not jive with the raw data.
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Of course it doesn't jive. The Libbos don't tolerate anyone questioning their ideology. You're just supposed to buy into, STFU and move on.
 
new coup for you said:
Well I'm liberal and I've been pointing that out this entire thread. There's a lot of other liberals who don't talk about it but feel the same way.
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You are quickly shifting to a more independent leaning, my friend. And I have known for a while that you would. You're just to smart to adhere to a cut and dry idealogy.
 
new coup for you said:
Well I'm liberal and I've been pointing that out this entire thread. There's a lot of other liberals who don't talk about it but feel the same way.
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There's an exception to every rule. However, you're a part of a very small minority of Libbos who know--or will admit--the truth.
 
jallman said:
You are quickly shifting to a more independent leaning, my friend. And I have known for a while that you would. You're just to smart to adhere to a cut and dry idealogy.
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no I still believe in government run health care and gun control and stuff like that. My criticism of black culture stems from my liberalism, it's just that I'm able to extract my values outside of dogma. I'm criticizing black culture because it's broadly incompatible with my liberal values. I'm not saying "well if they can be racist, sexist and homophobic, why can't I?" On the vast majority of social issues, blacks have far more in common with Republicans then with Democrats.
 
new coup for you said:
no I still believe in government run health care and gun control and stuff like that. My criticism of black culture stems from my liberalism, it's just that I'm able to extract my values outside of dogma. I'm criticizing black culture because it's broadly incompatible with my liberal values. I'm not saying "well if they can be racist, sexist and homophobic, why can't I?" On the vast majority of social issues, blacks have far more in common with Republicans then with Democrats.
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Wow. The way you justify adherence to identity politics so adeptly is sort of an indication that you are inherently liberal.

I still don't see how you can look at liberal politics and seperate out a group within it as being incompatible yet you immediately dump that incompatible group into the other side as if you assume that their transgressions are automatically characteristic of the other idealogy. You just maintain a very us vs them mentality in everything and lacks so much depth.

Liberal idealogy created the issues we are talking about. Whether that's compatible with your own sense of what liberalism is remains irrelevant to whether liberalism owns these social problems or not.
 
jallman said:
Wow. The way you justify adherence to identity politics so adeptly is sort of an indication that you are inherently liberal.

I still don't see how you can look at liberal politics and seperate out a group within it as being incompatible yet you immediately dump that incompatible group into the other side as if you assume that their transgressions are automatically characteristic of the other idealogy. You just maintain a very us vs them mentality in everything and lacks so much depth.

Liberal idealogy created the issues we are talking about. Whether that's compatible with your own sense of what liberalism is remains irrelevant to whether liberalism owns these social problems or not.
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I don't assume that because they're different from me they're Republicans, I genuinely see a lot in common between blacks and Republicans.
 
Erod said:
Ask anybody here. It's not a secret. It's just we don't talk about it openly because it's taboo.

My grandmother was black, and she went to a predominantly mixed black and white school in the '60s. She said the black guys were constantly cornered and beaten and the black girls were constanlty being sexually harassed.
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Agreed. All white people are racist because of what happened at that school.
 
jallman said:
Like what?
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Let me rephrase that, I see a great deal of similarity between stereotypical blacks and redencks, not Republicans.

Both love:

Jesus
Guns
Beating/oppressing the women in their life
Racism
Having a million kids
Hating gay people
Being on welfare
Forming their worldview via TV

the only real difference is that rednecks are psychotically patriotic.
 
new coup for you said:
Let me rephrase that, I see a great deal of similarity between stereotypical blacks and redencks, not Republicans.

Both love:

Jesus
Guns
Beating/oppressing the women in their life
Racism
Having a million kids
Hating gay people
Being on welfare
Forming their worldview via TV

the only real difference is that rednecks are psychotically patriotic.
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That's the most assinine pos I think I ever seen on an internet forum. And, I've seen some really assinine posts.:rofl
 
new coup for you said:
Let me rephrase that, I see a great deal of similarity between stereotypical blacks and redencks, not Republicans.

Both love:

Jesus
Guns
Beating/oppressing the women in their life
Racism
Having a million kids
Hating gay people
Being on welfare
Forming their worldview via TV

the only real difference is that rednecks are psychotically patriotic.
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OK, that's better. I see rednecks as totally incompatible with Republican idealogy. It's kind of funny how each side has a voting block to whom they pander but exhibit every social disease that the party strongly condemns.
 
apdst said:
That's the most assinine pos I think I ever seen on an internet forum. And, I've seen some really assinine posts.:rofl
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actually it makes total sense...where did all the Norths black populations come from? The South. You don't think Southern blacks adopted Southern culture during slavery?
 
jallman said:
OK, that's better. I see rednecks as totally incompatible with Republican idealogy. It's kind of funny how each side has a voting block to whom they pander but exhibit every social disease that the party strongly condemns.
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I think some rednecks do exhibit the kind of "rugged individualism" that makes libertarianism appealing to them, but plenty are dependent on government aid. And I do definitely agree that both parties see their respective populations as essentially nothing but election tools.
 
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new coup for you said:
I think some rednecks do exhibit the kind of "rugged individualism" that makes libertarianism appealing to them, but plenty are dependent on government aid.
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And I think a lot of African Americans exhibit the "pull yourself up by your boot straps" mentality that makes Libertarianism appealing, too.

Alls I'm saying is that there is a lowest common denominator in both parties and those lowest denominators tend to be granted to each party along black and white lines, for different reasons, but because they share common characteristics.

There really isn't much of a difference between the mindless majorities in both parties.
 
jallman said:
And I think a lot of African Americans exhibit the "pull yourself up by your boot straps" mentality that makes Libertarianism appealing, too.

Alls I'm saying is that there is a lowest common denominator in both parties and those lowest denominators tend to be granted to each party along black and white lines, for different reasons, but because they share common characteristics.

There really isn't much of a difference between the mindless majorities in both parties.
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I have to point out that while it's impossible to define what population of the US is "redneck", blacks are 12% of the population and plenty don't adhere to the stereotypes I've been describing. A fraction of 12% is not what you build a political strategy around.
 
new coup for you said:
I have to point out that while it's impossible to define what population of the US is "redneck", blacks are 12% of the population and plenty don't adhere to the stereotypes I've been describing. A fraction of 12% is not what you build a political strategy around.
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Rednecks are hardly a large population of whites either. But you have to think about something in terms of political strategy. It's not who you can get to think like you. It's who you can get whipped up enough to vote for you.

And blacks and rednecks are easily motivated to vote on single hot button issues.
 
apdst said:
That's the most assinine pos I think I ever seen on an internet forum. And, I've seen some really assinine posts.:rofl
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It was also a glaring example of the value of spellcheck! :lol:
 
new coup for you said:
I think some rednecks do exhibit the kind of "rugged individualism" that makes libertarianism appealing to them, but plenty are dependent on government aid. And I do definitely agree that both parties see their respective populations as essentially nothing but election tools.
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Rednecks are a rather nebulous demographic. I haven't seen that designation of the U.S. census yet. :2razz:
 
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