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Virginia Veteran Wins Battle to Keep His Flagpole in Yard

I am former military. A flag is NOT flying properly if it is not on a regulation flag pole.

That is life. Deal with it.

We know you're a right-wing pro-HOA person. It's ok. We forgive you.
I don't care if you're a former soldier, that doesn't mean you understand contracts. Like my HOA, you are allowed to have a flagpole attached to the side of your house; everybody knows how that works. And that's what this HOA allows. He could have his flag on a pole attached to his house, but not a free-standing pole in the front of his yard. Are we clear on that now?
 
I don't care if you're a former soldier, that doesn't mean you understand contracts. Like my HOA, you are allowed to have a flagpole attached to the side of your house; everybody knows how that works. And that's what this HOA allows. He could have his flag on a pole attached to his house, but not a free-standing pole in the front of his yard. Are we clear on that now?

I have TWO degrees in legal studies. I understand contracts better than you do. HOAs are scumbag-control freaks who feel the need to control what other people do with their homes.

Furthermore, the man is a VET, he WILL follow military procedure in mounting and flying a flag. Military procedure dictates that a flag MUST be mounted on a regulation flag pole. That is procedure.

Here is the procedure:

The following information is provided in selecting the proper halyard
to be used for displaying a personal flag or command pennant with the U.S.
national ensign:

a. POLEMAST - Personal flag/command pennant not flown.
b. POLEMAST WITH CROSSTREE - Outermost halyard, right-hand crosstree.
c. POLEMAST WITH GAFF - Peak of pole.
d. POLEMAST WITH CROSSTREE AND GAFF - Peak of pole.
ORIGINAL
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NTP 13(B)
NOTE: If a Naval activity uses a polemast as the normal point of display of
a personal flag or command pennant, and a personal flag or foreign
ensign is required during an official visit of, or gun salute to, a
civil official or foreign official or officer, it shall be displayed
from the polemast, and the personal flag/command pennant of the
officer in command shall be displayed at some other point within the
command.

1504. SIZE TO BE FLOWN
The table shown below may be used as a guide in selecting the
appropriate size personal flag or command pennant to be flown at a shore
activity from flagstaffs of varying heights.
ABroad or Burgee
Flagstaff Heights Personal Flags Command Pennants
Less than 35 feet #7 - 1 foot 10 #8 - 1 foot 2
inches by 2 feet inches by 1 foot
8 inches 6 inches
Greater than 35 feet #6 - 3 feet 7 #6 - 2 feet by 2
inches by 5 feet feet 7 inches

Additionally, again, because you obviously missed it, LOCAL LAW PREVENTS INTERFERENCE WITH FLYING THE NATIONAL FLAG. As such, the ********ers in the HOA are TRUMPED.

You are WRONG. Accept it.
 
Furthermore, the man is a VET, he WILL follow military procedure in mounting and flying a flag. Military procedure dictates that a flag MUST be mounted on a regulation flag pole. That is procedure.

I am also a vet and I fly my flag on a pole at 45 degreees in front of my house.

He is a vet and no longer in the military therfore he does NOT have to follow military protocol in flying the flag. It is not a requirement for Vets, nor is it a requirement for others to fly the flag in this manner.

Please do not pretend to speak for all Vets.

I don't like HOA at all, however, they are LEGAL and when people buy a house they are WELL AWARE of it. If you don't want to follow an HOA, don't buy a ****ing house that has one. Again, this is simple.

Just because the man is a CMOA recipient does NOT mean that he can just do whatever the hell he wants.
 
HOA are ridiculous. I refuse to live in a neighborhood that tells me what color I can paint my house, what trees I'm allowed to plant...or whether I can have a flag pole in my yard.

But you will vote for government mandated health care, pay for other's abortions, force people to purchase health insurance, etc.

Tell me, dd.....where are you on the EPA's designation that global warming is a human endangerment menaing the government will be managing much more than what color you can paint your home.

For the love of God!

Try consistency, it'll be a big change for you.
 
HOAs are scumbag-control freaks who feel the need to control what other people do with their homes.


Now that is about the most true thing I have seen in a while. Thanks Vader for speaking truth to HOA here. :)


j-mac
 
I have TWO degrees in legal studies. I understand contracts better than you do. HOAs are scumbag-control freaks who feel the need to control what other people do with their homes.

Furthermore, the man is a VET, he WILL follow military procedure in mounting and flying a flag. Military procedure dictates that a flag MUST be mounted on a regulation flag pole. That is procedure.

Here is the procedure:

The following information is provided in selecting the proper halyard
to be used for displaying a personal flag or command pennant with the U.S.
national ensign:

a. POLEMAST - Personal flag/command pennant not flown.
b. POLEMAST WITH CROSSTREE - Outermost halyard, right-hand crosstree.
c. POLEMAST WITH GAFF - Peak of pole.
d. POLEMAST WITH CROSSTREE AND GAFF - Peak of pole.
ORIGINAL
15-1

NTP 13(B)
NOTE: If a Naval activity uses a polemast as the normal point of display of
a personal flag or command pennant, and a personal flag or foreign
ensign is required during an official visit of, or gun salute to, a
civil official or foreign official or officer, it shall be displayed
from the polemast, and the personal flag/command pennant of the
officer in command shall be displayed at some other point within the
command.

1504. SIZE TO BE FLOWN
The table shown below may be used as a guide in selecting the
appropriate size personal flag or command pennant to be flown at a shore
activity from flagstaffs of varying heights.
ABroad or Burgee
Flagstaff Heights Personal Flags Command Pennants
Less than 35 feet #7 - 1 foot 10 #8 - 1 foot 2
inches by 2 feet inches by 1 foot
8 inches 6 inches
Greater than 35 feet #6 - 3 feet 7 #6 - 2 feet by 2
inches by 5 feet feet 7 inches

Additionally, again, because you obviously missed it, LOCAL LAW PREVENTS INTERFERENCE WITH FLYING THE NATIONAL FLAG. As such, the ********ers in the HOA are TRUMPED.

You are WRONG. Accept it.
You should ask for your money back, you got cheated.
 
I am also a vet and I fly my flag on a pole at 45 degreees in front of my house.

He is a vet and no longer in the military therfore he does NOT have to follow military protocol in flying the flag. It is not a requirement for Vets, nor is it a requirement for others to fly the flag in this manner.

Please do not pretend to speak for all Vets.

I don't like HOA at all, however, they are LEGAL and when people buy a house they are WELL AWARE of it. If you don't want to follow an HOA, don't buy a ****ing house that has one. Again, this is simple.

Just because the man is a CMOA recipient does NOT mean that he can just do whatever the hell he wants.

He is a World War II vet. He is going to follow protocol whether he has to do so or not.

Next, and for the 25th time, the law in that state prohibits laws deny persons the right to fly the national pennant. The HOA's contract violated local law ... AND THEREFORE AS A MATTER OF LAW IT IS UNENFORCEABLE.

Since it is unenforceable.... HE IS NOT REQUIRED TO FOLLOW IT.

You are wrong.

Move on.
 
He is a World War II vet. He is going to follow protocol whether he has to do so or not.

Next, and for the 25th time, the law in that state prohibits laws deny persons the right to fly the national pennant. The HOA's contract violated local law ... AND THEREFORE AS A MATTER OF LAW IT IS UNENFORCEABLE.

Since it is unenforceable.... HE IS NOT REQUIRED TO FOLLOW IT.

You are wrong.

Move on.
NO, you are wrong. Move on.
 
NO, you are wrong. Move on.

No, YOU are wrong. I have a degree... you have a backwards right-wing opinion.

I know how hard it is for you righties to accept defeat; however, you are beaten, your HOA buddies lost, and you are never going to get anywhere here.

Local law trumped the HOA. They lost ... so did you.
 
Vader, what legal degrees do you have?

I have an Associates of Applied Science in Legal Studies and I recently earned a Bachelor's of Applied Science in Legal Studies.

I am telling you... the HOA is wrong (as was proven by their loss in court) and so is American.

The far right is usually wrong on domestic matters, labor laws, and other such matters.
 
Seeing what Navy Pride wrote above, I am happy that I have him on ignore. His BS sickens me.

aw shucks aps I thought we were buds, you are my second favorite lefty....:lol::shock::confused::(
 
Anyone saying HAO's should be illegal is very ingnorant of their reasons for existance. I will certainly agree that some of the rules created by HOA's are too far reaching, such as the one in this post. However, HOA's fulfill a important legal position required by some neighborhoods. This legal position includes ownership of utilities owned by the neighborhood such as a road or maybe a sewer system. Without the HOA who would own these things if more than one household used them? HOA's are required for this reason.
 
I have an Associates of Applied Science in Legal Studies and I recently earned a Bachelor's of Applied Science in Legal Studies.

I am telling you... the HOA is wrong (as was proven by their loss in court) and so is American.

The far right is usually wrong on domestic matters, labor laws, and other such matters.

They didn't lose. They backed down for some reason.
 
Who cares what the law says? A Medal of Honor recipient wants to put up a flag pole. So what? Why does the HOA have to be so anal?
 
Next, and for the 25th time, the law in that state prohibits laws deny persons the right to fly the national pennant.

And yet again, they are not prohibiting him from flying the flag, they are prohibiting him from flying it on a large vertical flag pole.

Secondly, it is FORSEEABLE because when he bought the house, HE KNEW THE RULES. Also, they didn't losem in court, they backed down.

You are flat out WRONG.
 
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And yet again, they are not prohibiting him from flying the flag, they are prohibiting him from flying it on a large vertical flag pole.

Secondly, it is FORSEEABLE because when he bought the house, HE KNEW THE RULES. Also, they didn't losem in court, they backed down.

You are flat out WRONG.

No, YOU are wrong.

Local law trumps the HOA.

Local law ALLOWS THE FLAGPOLE AND THE FLAG. You righties need to give up. You are wrong, the HOA was wrong, and ALL OF YOU LOST.

The right-nazi HOA ********ers got owned like the 2 dollar whores they are.

YOU LOSE.

DEAL WITH IT.
 
They didn't lose. They backed down for some reason.

They lost. Local law prohibited their attack on the man in question. He is LEGALLY ENTITLED TO HAVE A FLAG AND A FLAG POLE.

The far right neo-nazi HOA dickheads lost. Stop defending their sorry Nazi asses.
 
They lost. Local law prohibited their attack on the man in question. He is LEGALLY ENTITLED TO HAVE A FLAG AND A FLAG POLE.

The far right neo-nazi HOA dickheads lost. Stop defending their sorry Nazi asses.

There is nothing in the OP or other articles I have seen on this subject to support what you are saying. No matter how many times you say it yourself, it doesn't get any more true.

The OP article states that the HOA chose to drop their action because they were being pressured by several Democratic politicians to do so.

Do you have anything at all to convince us that your position has some basis in reality? Constructing all kinds of pretension does not count.
 
No, YOU are wrong.

Local law trumps the HOA.

Local law ALLOWS THE FLAGPOLE AND THE FLAG. You righties need to give up. You are wrong, the HOA was wrong, and ALL OF YOU LOST.

The right-nazi HOA ********ers got owned like the 2 dollar whores they are.

YOU LOSE.

DEAL WITH IT.

Wait a minute, now I am a rightie? :rofl:rofl

Sorry but nothing in the post supports your claim they lost legally. They backed down, but they did not lose legally.

Maybe you should actually read the article instead of just posting sophomoric one liners about righties and Nazis.

Again, they did NOT prohibit him from flying the flag as you were claiming.
 
Wait a minute, now I am a rightie? :rofl:rofl

Sorry but nothing in the post supports your claim they lost legally. They backed down, but they did not lose legally.

Maybe you should actually read the article instead of just posting sophomoric one liners about righties and Nazis.

Again, they did NOT prohibit him from flying the flag as you were claiming.

Pay attention .... THEY BACKED DOWN BECAUSE THE LAW OF THE LAND WAS AGAINST THEM.

There is a law in Virginia which prohibits interference with those who wish to fly the national flag.

The HOA idiots backed down because they knew they were on the losing team.

Also .... Slightly liberal is the same as mostly conservative.
 
There is nothing in the OP or other articles I have seen on this subject to support what you are saying. No matter how many times you say it yourself, it doesn't get any more true.

The OP article states that the HOA chose to drop their action because they were being pressured by several Democratic politicians to do so.

Do you have anything at all to convince us that your position has some basis in reality? Constructing all kinds of pretension does not count.

If you can do nothing but support right wing idiocy, you should leave now.
 
There is nothing in the OP or other articles I have seen on this subject to support what you are saying. No matter how many times you say it yourself, it doesn't get any more true.

The OP article states that the HOA chose to drop their action because they were being pressured by several Democratic politicians to do so.

Do you have anything at all to convince us that your position has some basis in reality? Constructing all kinds of pretension does not count.

Under FEDERAL LAW ... flying the flag is the right of EVERY AMERICAN.

President signs bill freeing homeowners to fly U.S. flag



By The Associated Press
July 25, 2006


WASHINGTON — President Bush signed a bill yesterday that bars condominium and homeowner associations from restricting how the American flag can be displayed.

Sponsored by Rep. Roscoe Bartlett, R-Md., the measure prohibits those groups from preventing residents from displaying an American flag on their own property.

H.R. 42 was passed unanimously by both the House and the Senate.

"Americans have long flown our flag as an expression of their appreciation for our freedoms and their pride in our nation," Bush said in a statement. "As our brave men and women continue to fight to protect our country overseas, Congress has passed an important measure to protect our citizens right to express their patriotism here at home without burdensome restrictions."

H. R. 42

One Hundred Ninth Congress of the United States of America
AT THE SECOND SESSION

Begun and held at the City of Washington on Tuesday, the third day of January, two thousand and six


An Act
To ensure that the right of an individual to display the flag of the United States
on residential property not be abridged.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the "Freedom to Display the American Flag Act of 2005''.
SEC. 2. DEFINITIONS.
For purposes of this Act--
(1) the term "flag of the United States'' has the meaning given the term "flag, standard, colors, or ensign'' under section 3 of title 4, United States Code;
(2) the terms "condominium association'' and "cooperative association'' have the meanings given such terms under section 604 of Public Law 96399 (15 U.S.C. 3603);
(3) the term "residential real estate management association'' has the meaning given such term under section 528 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (26 U.S.C. 528); and
(4) the term :member''--
(A) as used with respect to a condominium association, means an owner of a condominium unit (as defined under section 604 of Public Law 96399 (15 U.S.C. 3603)) within such association;
(B) as used with respect to a cooperative association, means a cooperative unit owner (as defined under section 604 of Public Law 96399 (15 U.S.C. 3603)) within such association; and
(C) as used with respect to a residential real estate management association, means an owner of a residential property within a subdivision, development, or similar area subject to any policy or restriction adopted by such association.

THE HOA DOUCHEBAGS LOST.


DEAL WITH IT



 
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