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Obama administration formally declares danger of carbon emissions

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Obama administration formally declares danger of carbon emissions

The Obama administration formally declared Monday that carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions pose a danger to the public's health and welfare, a move that lays the groundwork for an economy-wide carbon cap even if Congress fails to enact climate legislation.

The move, announced by Environmental Protection Agency administrator Lisa P. Jackson, comes as the largest climate change conference in history gets underway in Copenhagen. It finalizes an initial "endangerment finding" by the government in April.

Speaking in an ornate room at EPA headquarters, Jackson said that greenhouse gases are "disrupting the natural balance in our atmosphere and changing our climate . . . The overwhelming amount of scientific evidence shows the threat is real."

Jackson said that she did not know when the EPA would reveal detailed plans for cutting greenhouse-gas emissions, or if the agency would wait to see if the U.S. Senate passes climate legislation early next year. Jackson said that legislation was still the best way to tackle the problem -- but said she was not trying to prod Congress with Monday's finding.

Instead, Jackson said, the administration was bound to follow the U.S. Supreme Court's order in 2007 to determine if these emissions endanger public health.

2007!! It took them long enough. Actually, I thought they had already moved forward on this. I think this "formal announcement" is just signaling that the administration agrees with the majority of the world scientists, NASA, the IPCC, etc. Good, now start regulating. And don't make tax payers pay for R&D and retrofitting power plants. The coal and energy billionaires can pay for that out of their pockets.

EPA Calls Greenhouse Gases a Public Threat

The Environmental Protection Agency said greenhouse gases are a danger to public health and welfare in a decision that could eventually lead to new emissions regulations.

The so-called "endangerment finding" announced Monday by EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson is necessary to move ahead on new emission standards for cars, while potentially opening up large emitters such as power plants, crude-oil refineries and chemical plants to limits on their output of carbon dioxide and other gases.

"These long overdue findings cement 2009's place in history as the year when the U.S. government began addressing the challenge of greenhouse-gas pollution and seizing the opportunity of clean-energy reform," Ms. Jackson said in a statement.

The controversial decision, which the Obama administration indicated it would make earlier this year, comes as a global climate summit opens in Copenhagen, Denmark.


Anyway, as the winter storms approach, Fox News will no doubt start in with the Global 'Warming' Jokes, further spinning idiocy and ignorance into the minds of its viewers...

God Help Us, Mother Nature forgive us...
 
Meanwhile as these proposals are put into place,millions of additional workers will lose they're jobs including me.
 
Good, now start regulating.

Save us from ourselves, Daddy!

God Help Us, Mother Nature forgive us...

God was understood to GIVE us unalienable rights, not "start regulating." And yes, let's hope our real Mom will forgive us. For fudging numbers and misleading others, it's called lying. And it's not admirable, nor condoned.

Nor tolerated.
 
Never mind the fact that several "reputable" scientists emails were hacked showing that the numbers claiming that man is the cause of GW had been doctored.

Never mind the fact that humans and animals continually emit carbon dioxide just by breathing and farting.

Never mind the fact that plants NEED that carbon dioxide in order to live.

Never mind the fact that the planet goes through hot and cold stages normally and that we are coming out of an ice age period.
 
Does this scare you? It scares me. Just the fact that I breathe this out makes me want rip out my lungs for being so environmentally irresponsible.

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Does this scare you? It scares me. Just the fact that I breathe this out makes me want rip out my lungs for being so environmentally irresponsible.

That is Evil Incarnate.
 
Meanwhile as these proposals are put into place,millions of additional workers will lose they're jobs including me.
hazlnut doesn't give a **** about you, when will you realize that. Obama doesn't care either, you're a peon putz on his list. hazlnut probably thinks you're a rightwing, blue collar redneck.

But on the positive side, Obama (in light of the galactic lies coming from the heart of the AGW community) will move forward with more policies to kill American jobs, businesses and add regulations to help China, India and Russian become prosperous at our expense.
 
This is good news OP. About frick'n time!
 
As the economy has gone further into the current recession, emissions have gone down, oil usage has gone down, and the temperature has gone down. Therefore the cure for global warming is to totally destroy the economy which will get rid of the emissions, the oil usage, and return us to an ice age. :rofl
 
Meanwhile as these proposals are put into place,millions of additional workers will lose they're jobs including me.

Without getting too personal (and this is a serious question) how so?

I mean, the company that you work for makes decisions regarding employment. Some energy companies have diversified, some have not. Power will sill flow through the same lines and need to be maintained.

New forms of energy production require new labor to install and maintain.

I had a long discussion over Thanksgiving with a very knowledgeable engineer about nuclear production. The French have figured it out, why can't we? You know the real reason we don't talk about nuclear power-- it would put many big fossil fuel and coal companies out of business.
 
Save us from ourselves, Daddy!

Hey, Daddy-o, who invented Cap and Trade? The Republicans under Reagan. To deal with Acid rain. Only they called it Market Driven Self-Regulation.

Say that out loud. Market Driven Self-Regulation. Do you understand what that means?

Before opening your mouth, you should get better informed.
 
Hey, Daddy-o, who invented Cap and Trade? The Republicans under Reagan. To deal with Acid rain. Only they called it Market Driven Self-Regulation.

Say that out loud. Market Driven Self-Regulation. Do you understand what that means?

Before opening your mouth, you should get better informed.

Who gives a crap who came up with the idea? It sucks.
 
Never mind the fact that several "reputable" scientists emails were hacked showing that the numbers claiming that man is the cause of GW had been doctored.

Wrong. False. Show me the emails that said that.

Never mind the fact that humans and animals continually emit carbon dioxide just by breathing and farting.

Too bad it's carbon-monoxide that is the problem.

Never mind the fact that plants NEED that carbon dioxide in order to live.

Why do people post when they don't know what they're talking about? Or have been misinformed by propaganda....

Never mind the fact that the planet goes through hot and cold stages normally and that we are coming out of an ice age period.

And nevermind posting when you don't have a friggin' clue what you're talking about.
 
Who gives a crap who came up with the idea? It sucks.

You want to elaborate on why it 'sucks' to allow companies to monitor themselves?

Economics, it's all about incentives. But of course you already know that.
 
Everything connected to Global Warming has been a HOAX from the start.

This EPA action is proof that we as a Nation have been taken over by and are now under the control of a DICTATOR who does not give a damn about "WE THE PEOPLE" and care only about his Socialist/Communist agenda and a this latest action take effect the economy will continue to spiral into oblivion.

There is little hope of stopping the coming depression which is where we are headded.

Count on the price of every item sold and every service in the Country going up by 15% to 40% in the next few months as hyper inflation takes hold.
 
I had a long discussion over Thanksgiving with a very knowledgeable engineer about nuclear production. The French have figured it out, why can't we? You know the real reason we don't talk about nuclear power-- it would put many big fossil fuel and coal companies out of business.

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People like this convincing otherwise normal people by alarmism and no statistical data are the reason why we don't talk about nuclear power.
 
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People like this convincing otherwise normal people by alarmism and no statistical data are the reason why we don't talk about nuclear power.
Are those the UEA professors?
 
hazlnut is coming unhinged. Calm down boy, before you blow a fuse.
 
Wrong. False. Show me the emails that said that.

Google "Hacked email + global warming". First link that will come up is from the NY Times. Enjoy.

Too bad it's carbon-monoxide that is the problem.

Apparently despite the fact that you posted the OP you did not read the article that you posted.

The Obama administration formally declared Monday that carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions pose a danger to the public's health and welfare, a move that lays the groundwork for an economy-wide carbon cap even if Congress fails to enact climate legislation.

Why do people post when they don't know what they're talking about? Or have been misinformed by propaganda....

Do us all a favor and look up "Photosynthesis". Although I have no idea how you could not know what it is unless you missed the day that they talked about it in science class in 3rd grade.

And nevermind posting when you don't have a friggin' clue what you're talking about.

Apparently you have even less of a clue than I do. You're the one that apparently didn't read the article that you yourself posted.
 
Do us all a favor and look up "Photosynthesis". Although I have no idea how you could not know what it is unless you missed the day that they talked about it in science class in 3rd grade.
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Thank you for showing us all that you don't know what you're talking about. No. That's an understatement. You don't have any understanding of the issue being discussed in this thread. It's an alien language to you. Which begs the question: Why did you post?

It's amazing how little far-right partisans actually know about climate change causes and science...You all are absolutely clueless.



Apparently you have even less of a clue than I do. You're the one that apparently didn't read the article that you yourself posted.

Question: Is the author of the article writing about (A) specifics, giving an in depth explanation of the different types of emissions and how they combine in the atmosphere to form a blanket that traps heat, warming the ground and water??

OR...

(B) Is the author trying to convey to laymen the general issue using a term (CO2) that many people are familiar with and not going into the complicated science?

(Hint: it was short article on policy and not really on science...)

Lastly, professor, since you brought up Photosynthesis -- what goes in: C02, what comes out: O2. What happens to the particles that can't be used in the process? Can a green plant photosynthesize more C02 than it needs? Can a green plant photosynthesize all carbon emissions?

You should contact your third grade teacher immediately and see that she is fired -- she really did you a disservice.
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Dismissed, young man.
 
I'm going to breathe deep in the hopes that I'll start suffocating some of you Environuts with my emissions.
 
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