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New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

What is the difference when you have the corporate elite deciding what is good for themselves and exploiting the workers for their own benefit?

The poorest worker has more power in a free society than anyone in a socialist one. He can always choose to work for someone else.
 
hmm the only "rights" I see being "subbrogated" is my rights to choose my healthcare....


What "rights" specifically do the Republicans attempt to "subbrogate"?


I'll wait. :roll:

abortion? men marrying men? (i say that one because if gay marriage is legal i'm marrying my best friend, i'm for equality).

just to play devils advocate ;)
 
The poorest worker has more power in a free society than anyone in a socialist one. He can always choose to work for someone else.

FTW

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abortion?

revokes an individuals right to life. As a Libertarian I think life is ultimate.


men marrying men? (i say that one because if gay marriage is legal i'm marrying my best friend, i'm for equality).

just to play devils advocate ;)


Sooooo Republicans are doing this? So are democrats. :shrug:
 
revokes an individuals right to life. As a Libertarian I think life is ultimate.





Sooooo Republicans are doing this? So are democrats. :shrug:

i was just playing devils advocate. personally i'm not pro choice i'm pro abortion. liberals killing their offspring is a good thing. i'd extend them the right to do it up to 1 year of age.
 
Of course it has. Obama promised everything under the sun...for everyone. Anyone with a functioning brain knew that wasn't going to happen.

Which explains perfectly who voted for him....
 
The poorest worker has more power in a free society than anyone in a socialist one. He can always choose to work for someone else.

The flaw in this argument is that under a corporatist society, you keep wages just low enough to keep people hungry and you ensure enough of an unemployed workforce to keep the worker from doing the very thing that you suggest.
That is the Wal-Mart model.
 
The flaw in this argument is that under a corporatist society, you keep wages just low enough to keep people hungry.

Care to address our child obesity problems?
 
Care to address our child obesity problems?

absolutely....its the dollar value menu problem. Buying healthy foods, fresh fruit/vegetables are very expensive. Its cheaper for families to buy the fast food high fat dollar menu food than it is to prepare a healthy meal.
 
absolutely....its the dollar value menu problem. Buying healthy foods, fresh fruit/vegetables are very expensive. Its cheaper for families to buy the fast food high fat dollar menu food than it is to prepare a healthy meal.

No, it's not cheaper, it's easier. The problem is not cost, it's laziness.
 
No, it's not cheaper, it's easier. The problem is not cost, it's laziness.

If you have 3 kids and can go to McDonalds and buy 3 double cheeseburgers for $3.00. Take it home and make some kool-aid.

How are you going to make a nutrious meal for that? Its not just about laziness as you guys always claim.

or you buy a box of hamburger helper for a couple of dollars and a pound of ground beef for a couple dollars.
Still not healthy.

Eating healthy costs money.
 
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...yet you see no issue that 95+ percent of blacks voted for Obama.
i really don't. most of those voters would vote dem anyway. not BLACK, but dem. big difference.
 
the real question is why would any minority vote for the republican party?
I've never understood log cabin republicans myself. Why support a party that would love nothing more than see your rights subbrogated.



hmm the only "rights" i see being "subbrogated" is my rights to choose my healthcare....


What "rights" specifically do the republicans attempt to "subbrogate"?


I'll wait. :roll:






oh toootles!!!!! ;)


dd?
 
oh toootles!!!!! ;)


dd?

They argue against pretty much all gay rights legislation.

They oppose almost any legislation that helps minorities, always calling it "affirimative action" even when it isn't.

The GOP is not the friend of the poor and/or minorities.
 
Pretty much. Voting for McCain was very painful. (He is essentially a Democrat who believes in a strong national defense. ) As much as I don't like where the Republican party is now, they are closer to my views than the Democrat/Socialist party. As such, I tend to vote for the Republican party. However, I would have voted for Hoffman in NY23. If the Republicans ever discover that being Democrat lite is a losing position, then they may return to the more classic fiscal conservative policies that I could get behind.

In the mean time, the Democrats are taking this president's term to try to move the country irrevocably left. I think you are seeing the push back from the American people against both the policies and the Democrat party that is trying to implement them.

The real interesting time will be the next 10 months leading up to the mid term elections. If the Democrats push through Cap and Trade, Insurance reform, etc., I think you will see many Democrats voted out and the Republicans and Independents who are voted in having a mandate to reverse these policies. Should make for an interesting next 3 years.

What is that old proverb/curse? May you live in interesting times.
except the majority of the country WANTS insurance reform.
 
If you have 3 kids and can go to McDonalds and buy 3 double cheeseburgers for $3.00. Take it home and make some kool-aid.

How are you going to make a nutrious meal for that? Its not just about laziness as you guys always claim.

or you buy a box of hamburger helper for a couple of dollars and a pound of ground beef for a couple dollars.
Still not healthy.

Eating healthy costs money.

Or you could buy a bag of salad mix for $2. and cook a chicken breast ($1.) and serve a healthy meal.

Serve water with it and you have a low-cost healthy meal.

It does take a little effort and you have to actually control what your kids eat instead of just giving them what they want to shut them up.
 
A servo mechanism? Can we have an example?

If third parties are allowed access so that people can see their platforms, it's easier to servo the main parties by attacking their power base. If, for example, the GOP gets too far out of line. Runs down the neocon road of big government and big war; you can have third parties which then siphon off votes from the GOP. They lose some voters to the third parties. The majority of the elections (particularly on the national scale) are 50/50 + noise. Which means that for the most part, the vote is split in half and each election cycle there is some "noise" which will push one party over to the win. If you affect that noise, you affect party power and dynamics and can force changes within the party's policy

For the example above, say the GOP pisses off some conservatives...a lot. The third parties are presented, they can participate, people know what their platform is. So people instead of voting for the GOP, vote for say Libertarian. The GOP now loses and will continue to lose until it can recapture the lost votes. Or if they never come back, you have a party in place which can replace them.

Can we have an example?

see above.

Stupid...even though a third party has NEVER won?

Never? You think the US started out from the get go with Republicans and Democrats? It's harder for them to win now because they are shut out of the process. The system is stable at 2 main parties because of the way we set up the winner take all method of winning. But it's not impossible, and there's no reason for the current 2 main parties to set the rules to prevent anyone else from challenging their power.

In his war strategies, he's no different than Bush(exception the NY trials). But his domestic policies, health care, cap and tax, the 787 stimulus that didn't stimulate, the belief jobs are created by government...isn't anything like Bush, I'm starting to understand why you're confused about the issue here.

On anything that matters he's the same. Health Care is a waste of time deflect issue which will not be handled correctly (like the majority of Bush's administration). Cap and Trade is a BS deflect policy which will never be instated. The bailouts were gifts to the rich, much as Bush and the rest of the Republocrats do as much as possible. The stimulus was just further expansion of government and reckless spending, which was pretty much exactly how Bush did it.

I'm starting to understand why you're confused about issues here.

Your conscience and personal opinions ans swagger affect at the primary, state, and local levels. One yer fangs are sharpened, once the argument is over, once the platform is laid....you vote Republican. It's as simple as that. Want to change politics, change your party!

The party isolates itself from my influence by pretending that there are only two choices and playing off of those choices. Voting for the lesser of two evils leaves you with evil. Continuing to support the status quo will not change the status quo.
 
Most probably would if they knew what it really was instead of the teabagger lie version. Government takeover! Death panels!

If the people knew what was really in the bill, there would be a revolt.
 
Or you could buy a bag of salad mix for $2. and cook a chicken breast ($1.) and serve a healthy meal.

Serve water with it and you have a low-cost healthy meal.

It does take a little effort and you have to actually control what your kids eat instead of just giving them what they want to shut them up.

You might be able to get a bag of iceberg lettuce mix for $2 (which has no nutritional value)....Salad greens that actually have nutritional value run in the 3-4 dollar range. And you are going to serve three kids 1 chicken breast?
 
Or you could buy a bag of salad mix for $2. and cook a chicken breast ($1.) and serve a healthy meal.

Serve water with it and you have a low-cost healthy meal.

It does take a little effort and you have to actually control what your kids eat instead of just giving them what they want to shut them up.

You don't have young kids do you? :mrgreen:
 
If the people knew what was really in the bill, there would be a revolt.

Such as?

Name three or four items you think are in the bill that would qualify.
 
You might be able to get a bag of iceberg lettuce mix for $2 (which has no nutritional value)....Salad greens that actually have nutritional value run in the 3-4 dollar range. And you are going to serve three kids 1 chicken breast?

I buy salad mix all the time with lettuce, carrots, cabbage, and radishes in it for that price. It's very cheap, but of course I shop at Wal-Mart so I'm probably paying half what you are for organic salad at your union grocery.

Yes, one chicken breast cut into strips and chunks is plenty for three kids. If not, they're cheap so throw another one in there.
 
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