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disneydude said:
1) Thats why deregulation doesn't work and why corporations have to regulated. Whoever came up with the "brilliant" idea that corporations could regulate themselves? Hmmm....oh yeah...Republicans.

2) Have you spend any time in the real world lately?
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yes clearly this country is proof that it doesn't work. :doh
yes plenty. i see people walking around begging for money and i see people busting ass working construction on a sunday. the guys begging for money speak better english than the guys busting ass doing construction. if anything they had less of an opportunity. you can make excuses all day long but in the end you should look in a mirror.
 
Hatuey said:
This is not entirely true. The Southern Strategy is just a name given to a vote gathering strategy from Southern whites. It was first used by Southern Democrats in the 40s and 50s when campaigning against desegregation and for the continuance of Jim Crow laws. It was picked up by Republicans in the 60s and given an official name by Nixon later on. You're both wrong.
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Not true. There was no true southern strategy until the 1960s. Until 1964, the south voted almost completely Democratic. That changed when the south voted for Goldwater, then Nixon adopted the actual southern strategy to win the election in 1972 and sweep the south, along with the rest of the country. Wallace won much of the south in 1968.

Many southern Democrats broke away from the party in the 1940s and 1950s, but the presidential elections were not affected. Democrats won the southern states overwhelmingly until Goldwater in 1964.
 
disneydude said:
1) Thats why deregulation doesn't work and why corporations have to regulated. Whoever came up with the "brilliant" idea that corporations could regulate themselves? Hmmm....oh yeah...Republicans.

2) In the real world that simply isn't true.
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The greatest amount of corporate deregulation this country has seen in decades occured under clinton. :mrgreen:
 
Dutch said:
The greatest amount of corporate deregulation this country has seen in decades occured under clinton. :mrgreen:
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one could actually argue that it's government regulation of corporations that's causing the problem.
 
boblzer0 said:
yes clearly this country is proof that it doesn't work. :doh
yes plenty. i see people walking around begging for money and i see people busting ass working construction on a sunday. the guys begging for money speak better english than the guys busting ass doing construction. if anything they had less of an opportunity. you can make excuses all day long but in the end you should look in a mirror.
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Yes....this country worked because for years we had regulations. GWB and the Republicans deregulated a great deal of our industry creating the majority of the problems that we are facing today.

You want to get America back to where we were? Eliminate corporate welfare, provide incentives to American companies that keep jobs here and pay a living wage, back up that incentive with governmental regulations that rein in corporate greed.....thats how you get America working again....but everytime we try to do that.....Republicans scream income redistribution and socialism. Republicans cannot stand to lose their corporate welfare.
 
disneydude said:
Yes....this country worked because for years we had regulations. GWB and the Republicans deregulated a great deal of our industry creating the majority of the problems that we are facing today.

You want to get America back to where we were? Eliminate corporate welfare, provide incentives to American companies that keep jobs here and pay a living wage, back up that incentive with governmental regulations that rein in corporate greed.....thats how you get America working again....but everytime we try to do that.....Republicans scream income redistribution and socialism. Republicans cannot stand to lose their corporate welfare.
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i'm not for corporate welfare but haven't corporations helped feed more people than government welfare?
 
boblzer0 said:
i'm not for corporate welfare but haven't corporations helped feed more people than government welfare?
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That's exactly the point...you feed them enough to keep them hungry and ensure that there is a large pool of hungry and unemployed in order to protect your cheap labor force.
 
disneydude said:
That's exactly the point...you feed them enough to keep them hungry and ensure that there is a large pool of hungry and unemployed in order to protect your cheap labor force.
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of course then a competing corporation hires them for more money because they can and still make money. your hate for corporations is pretty much made up. i feel that you have serious jealousy issues that are keeping you from thinking logically.
 
boblzer0 said:
one could actually argue that it's government regulation of corporations that's causing the problem.
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I believe they do need to be regulated. What's at question is how much. I believe the banking intrests who engaged in the practices that led to the meltdown weren't regulated effectively enough. I'm concerned obama's spending proposals will bankrupt the country.
 
Gill said:
Not true. There was no true southern strategy until the 1960s. Until 1964, the south voted almost completely Democratic. That changed when the south voted for Goldwater, then Nixon adopted the actual southern strategy to win the election in 1972 and sweep the south, along with the rest of the country. Wallace won much of the south in 1968.

Many southern Democrats broke away from the party in the 1940s and 1950s, but the presidential elections were not affected. Democrats won the southern states overwhelmingly until Goldwater in 1964.
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Correct.

Before that, there was no need for a "southern strategy" by either party because the Democrats had a firm lock on the South since the Civil War.
 
Dutch said:
I believe they do need to be regulated. What's at question is how much. I believe the banking intrests who engaged in the practices that led to the meltdown weren't regulated effectively enough. I'm concerned obama's spending proposals will bankrupt the country.
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i don't think the government is very effective at regulating anything, or doing anything else efficiently for that matter.
 
boblzer0 said:
i don't think the government is very effective at regulating anything, or doing anything else efficiently for that matter.
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As if the free market does a great job of regulating itself. Nice deep recession we're having.
 
boblzer0 said:
of course then a competing corporation hires them for more money because they can and still make money. your hate for corporations is pretty much made up. i feel that you have serious jealousy issues that are keeping you from thinking logically.
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Why would a competing corporation hire them for more money?

Yes....they could do that and still make money, but your argument rests on the belief that corporations are altruistic and look out for the interests of the workers. That myth has been disspelled for decades.

BTW....I don't have "hate" for coporations, I simply disagree with the idea that so often gets pushed by the GOP that America and WE are lucky to have corporations and should be grateful for whatever they are willing to give us.
I believe that Corporations are lucky to have America and should be grateful that WE as a country allow them to operate and should be happy with the large profits that our system provides them, without allowing their greedy tendency to always require more.
 
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misterman said:
As if the free market does a great job of regulating itself. Nice deep recession we're having.
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because prior to the recession the free market was unregulated?
 
disneydude said:
That's exactly the point...you feed them enough to keep them hungry and ensure that there is a large pool of hungry and unemployed in order to protect your cheap labor force.
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You tell em' comrade, we'll defeat those nasty ol' capitalists. Let the socialist elite decide what's good for the people.

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misterman said:
Relatively speaking, yes.
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relative to what? the free market when everything was good? relative to canada? i'm not sure you have an example of how things should be better.
 
boblzer0 said:
relative to what? the free market when everything was good? relative to canada? i'm not sure you have an example of how things should be better.
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Congress is working on financial regulations right now.
 
Dutch said:
You tell em' comrade, we'll defeat those nasty ol' capitalists. Let the socialist elite decide what's good for the people.

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What is the difference when you have the corporate elite deciding what is good for themselves and exploiting the workers for their own benefit?
 
disneydude said:
What is the difference when you have the corporate elite deciding what is good for themselves and exploiting the workers for their own benefit?
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what's good for themselves keeps their employees employed. i for one like being employed even though i'm being "exploited" by my boss. how dare he make he work!!! sometimes even on saturday!!!!
 
misterman said:
As if the free market does a great job of regulating itself. Nice deep recession we're having.
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:lol: wow really? And how was it the Free Market's fault? Oh, do you mean the Government allowing the banks in the free market to loosen restrictions on giving out home loans to people who should have been renters? Thank Goodness we have the holier-than-thou we-know-what's-good-for-you-government that we have! There is blame to be placed in more than just the "Free Market"
 
boblzer0 said:
what's good for themselves keeps their employees employed. i for one like being employed even though i'm being "exploited" by my boss. how dare he make he work!!! sometimes even on saturday!!!!
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You suffer from the Wal-Mart mentality.
 
misterman said:
As if the free market does a great job of regulating itself. Nice deep recession we're having.
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Made worse no doubt by the free wheeling spending practices of the democratic party currently in charge.


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The 2009 Stimulus Package: A $787 Billion Horror Story
Friday February 13, 2009

Call it the "St. Valentine's Day Massacre Part II" or "Revenge of the Democrats," but no matter how you look at the 2009 economic stimulus bill on this Friday the 13th of February -- it's a horror story.

The Republican proposal when the process started was $440 billion and that included a stop gap measure that froze any additional spending after two quarters of positive growth in the gross domestic product. Meanwhile, the "we won" Democrats' version was $900 billion with no stop gaps in case of economic recovery.

Senate Democrats and three Senate Republicans settled on a $780 billion package, and even that was inadequate because the newly "negotiated" version that arrived on Congressional doorsteps at 11 p.m. Thursday evening was for $787 billion.

According to Republican Sen. Lindsay Graham of South Carolina, the bill actually spends $1.1 trillion over 10 years, and again, that's with no stop-gaps in case of economic recovery. That means if (on the very off chance) the bill were to succeed, the government would go right on spending.....
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disneydude said:
The real question is why would ANY minority vote for the Republican party?
I've never understood Log Cabin Republicans myself. Why support a party that would love nothing more than see your rights subbrogated.
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hmm the only "rights" I see being "subbrogated" is my rights to choose my healthcare....


What "rights" specifically do the Republicans attempt to "subbrogate"?


I'll wait. :roll:
 
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