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Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

Joe1991 said:
That's quite a bit of wishful thinking mixed in with a heavy dose of pixie dust. Most of the current fighting is political in nature. Religious extremists, Iraqi nationalists, Shia Sunnis, kurds, etc; all those factions have one thing keeping them in check, our military. Iraq is in sixth place on the "Failed States Index" above even Afghanistan.

And as hopeful as we'd all like to be, no one has any idea what will happen once we pull our finger out of the dike.
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That doesn't mean we are not winning.

There was an unfortunate learning curve for the American Military in Iraq, mainly it was that can't allow d-bags like Bremer run the show.

Just take a look at the violence levels and tell me that the "tides" haven't turned-- even if it's temporary.

Sure there was the recent violence (probably complements of al-Qa'ida in Syria) in Tikrit, but the Mosul isn't fighting with weapons, they're arguing politically. People are no longer afraid to walk the street.

Could this turn around and dwell into some failed statehood like that of Lebanon in their civil war? Yes. Is it 100%? No. is it Likely? Depends on who you ask.

But you cannot discredit that, currently, we are winning in Iraq.
 
Arch Enemy said:
That doesn't mean we are not winning.

There was an unfortunate learning curve for the American Military in Iraq, mainly it was that can't allow d-bags like Bremer run the show.

Just take a look at the violence levels and tell me that the "tides" haven't turned-- even if it's temporary.

Sure there was the recent violence (probably complements of al-Qa'ida in Syria) in Tikrit, but the Mosul isn't fighting with weapons, they're arguing politically. People are no longer afraid to walk the street.

Could this turn around and dwell into some failed statehood like that of Lebanon in their civil war? Yes. Is it 100%? No. is it Likely? Depends on who you ask.

But you cannot discredit that, currently, we are winning in Iraq.
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You are winning??? At what expense? $12T debt, recession, high unemployment etc. Perhaps you guys should heed Sarah Palin's advise.
Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

The former US vice-presidential candidate argued that a humble spirit could help leaders to get more answers on issues such as health care, energy and national security
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Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God - Telegraph
 
Ethereal said:
I'm not sure that capitulatory statements made by our enemies can be aptly compared to speculative statements made by the former Vice President.

You may not be sure but I am. ;)

Also, we're winning in Iraq. It will be a model country within the next decade.
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Winning eh? I guess it depends on your definition of winning. It seems to be stabilizing but the fact that Iraq's leadership is very friendly with Iran's leadership has me troubled. I'm also not so sure the country can't or won't go into anarchy once we leave. It could fall like a house of cards.

Model country? I'm not sure they will even come close to a "model country" even in our life time whatever that is. I predict there will be suicide bombers for a long time to come and at least periodic flare ups of violence.
 
Ethereal said:
A functional democracy that is friendly towards civilized nations.
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So you're big into nation building in the mold of the U.S. in some sheethole half way acroos the world, costing billions even if it meant an illegal invasion that kills thousands of innocent people, and cost the blood of several thousand good decent American soliders? Oh don't forget the invasion was based on terrible intell in the least or possibly even lies. Our invasion created a vacuum that has made Iran the key player in the region with nuclear ambitions. How's that working out for us?

I hate to break this to you but you can't force democracy down the throats of people. They have to earn it themselves like we did in the American Revolution. The so called stability you see in Iraq is very fragile and could come down like a house of cards.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
She's the right's poster child for all that is good, wholesome, and right with this country! :rofl:rofl:rofl
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even if so, I ask you again, WTF does palin have to do with the taliban saying they won't meddle?


Please I am entertaining your PDS, I am hoping for at least some rational.... :ssst:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
even if so, I ask you again, WTF does palin have to do with the taliban saying they won't meddle?


Please I am entertaining your PDS, I am hoping for at least some rational.... :ssst:
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You're absolutely right but I wasn't the one that brought her into the thread. I think you have me mixed up with someone else.

I would wager that Palin and those that don't believe in separation of church and state are similar to the taliban in that respect.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
You're absolutely right but I wasn't the one that brought her into the thread. I think you have me mixed up with someone else.
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You jumped right up on that though didn't you? :lamo



I would wager that Palin and those that don't believe in separation of church and state are similar to the taliban in that respect.
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That would make you more foolish then you are trying to make Palin out to be... :shrug:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
You jumped right up on that though didn't you? :lamo
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No I had to make a sarcastic comment. Big difference.




Reverend_Hellh0und said:
That would make you more foolish then you are trying to make Palin out to be... :shrug:
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Right. :roll: If you can't see that those that want religion to be a big part of government and the Taliban have something in common you don't know much about either of them. Of course I'm not saying they are one and the same and the Taliban are far more extreme, but they do have something in common. However I'm not expecting you to see it with the "REV" in your avatar.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
So you're big into nation building in the mold of the U.S. in some sheethole half way acroos the world, costing billions even if it meant an illegal invasion that kills thousands of innocent people, and cost the blood of several thousand good decent American soliders? Oh don't forget the invasion was based on terrible intell in the least or possibly even lies. Our invasion created a vacuum that has made Iran the key player in the region with nuclear ambitions. How's that working out for us?

I hate to break this to you but you can't force democracy down the throats of people. They have to earn it themselves like we did in the American Revolution. The so called stability you see in Iraq is very fragile and could come down like a house of cards.
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I am very into regime change and nation building. We can afford it. The invasion was justified. Thousands of innocent people were being killed already to no good end. It had a price worth paying in the casualties we took. So what if the intel was bad? Iran gained as a result, again so what?

We can force democracy down the throats of people and we just did. Aside from some bumps in the road as they deal with the ethnic cards they were dealt, it is working out well. They are earning it.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
No I had to make a sarcastic comment. Big difference.






Right. :roll: If you can't see that those that want religion to be a big part of government and the Taliban have something in common you don't know much about either of them. Of course I'm not saying they are one and the same and the Taliban are far more extreme, but they do have something in common. However I'm not expecting you to see it with the "REV" in your avatar.
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So are you admitting you are an anti-religious bigot?... So because I am a Reverend, I must be intolerant. Yet you are showing your intolerance and hypocrisy here....


Tell me, link and quote where Palin wants religion to be a big part of Government. I'll wait.
 
reefedjib said:
I am very into regime change and nation building. We can afford it. The invasion was justified. Thousands of innocent people were being killed already to no good end. It had a price worth paying in the casualties we took. So what if the intel was bad? Iran gained as a result, again so what?
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We can't afford it and we will pay the price. You haven't seen anything yet. We are in debt up to our eyeballs and it's getting worse. China owes half our debt and that is rising. We can barely pay back the interest. How is that for national security?

There were a lot more people killed after the invasion and still are vs. when Saddam was in power. Saddam was a bad man but at least he kept the fruitcakes in check. No suicide bombers during Saddams reign. Who the hell are we to tell a country what they should and should not do? And furthermore the invasion has made the region more unstable than stable even if Iraq can stand on it's own. Iran is now the key power player in the region with nuclear ambitions. What part of that don't you understand?

reefedjib said:
We can force democracy down the throats of people and we just did. Aside from some bumps in the road as they deal with the ethnic cards they were dealt, it is working out well. They are earning it.
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I could say that preceding paragraph is bullsheet delusion excluding all the facts but I'll just be nice and say time will tell.

Just keep in mind the following two quotes from the mastermind of the Iraqi invasion to show how naive he was. He reminds me of you.


"I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency." -- on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005 Dick Cheney

It's right up there with this one in regards to Iraq:

My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators." --March 16, 2003 Dick Cheney
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
So are you admitting you are an anti-religious bigot?... So because I am a Reverend, I must be intolerant. Yet you are showing your intolerance and hypocrisy here....
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Be careful. You're talking to someone that prays every day at every meal, has been church lecter, usher, church council president, board member, and kept the walk ways and parking lot clear of snow after every snowfall. Just because I believe in the separation of church and state doesn't mean I'm intolerant and hypocritic. I have however seen my share of so called religious people even in my own church.


Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Tell me, link and quote where Palin wants religion to be a big part of Government. I'll wait.
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You're kidding right? Be glad to but later. Three minutes until shut down.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Be careful. You're talking to someone that prays every day at every meal, has been church lecter, usher, church council president, board member, and kept the walk ways and parking lot clear of snow after every snowfall. Just because I believe in the separation of church and state doesn't mean I'm intolerant and hypocritic. I have however seen my share of so called religious people even in my own church.
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Wow, so you are no different than palin.... You have been quite intolerant, you demonstrated predjudice simply because I am a Reverend.


Are you a literalist?


Anyway this is "tolerance"? no sir, it is anti-religious bigotry, and hell you have no clue about what actual religion I am, yet you make that "REV" comment. Quite a pathetic bigoted position you have there.



You're kidding right? Be glad to but later. Three minutes until shut down.
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Yes, this ought to be rich, in lieu of your church bragging. It will be great to see what separates you from Palin. :lamo
 
EnigmaO01 said:
We can't afford it and we will pay the price. You haven't seen anything yet. We are in debt up to our eyeballs and it's getting worse. China owes half our debt and that is rising. We can barely pay back the interest. How is that for national security?
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Hey, I didn't vote for Obama! He's expanded a stimulus bill that has no effect. He has increased spending to a 1.7 Trillion DEFICIT!! We could afford until he got his paws on it. It seems to me they ought to cut entitlement programs since they aren't legal.

EnigmaO01 said:
There were a lot more people killed after the invasion and still are vs. when Saddam was in power. Saddam was a bad man but at least he kept the fruitcakes in check. No suicide bombers during Saddams reign. Who the hell are we to tell a country what they should and should not do? And furthermore the invasion has made the region more unstable than stable even if Iraq can stand on it's own. Iran is now the key power player in the region with nuclear ambitions. What part of that don't you understand?
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It's not our responsibility they decided to have a civil war. We are the most powerful nation in the world, why can't we tell a country what they should and should not do? The region is stable. We guarantee it. Iran is more powerful but they are weak as well.

EnigmaO01 said:
We can force democracy down the throats of people and we just did. Aside from some bumps in the road as they deal with the ethnic cards they were dealt, it is working out well. They are earning it.
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I could say that preceding paragraph is bullsheet delusion excluding all the facts but I'll just be nice and say time will tell.

Just keep in mind the following two quotes from the mastermind of the Iraqi invasion to show how naive he was. He reminds me of you.


"I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency." -- on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005 Dick Cheney

It's right up there with this one in regards to Iraq:

My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators." --March 16, 2003 Dick Cheney
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What do those quotes have to do with what I said?
 
RDS said:
You are winning??? At what expense? $12T debt, recession, high unemployment etc. Perhaps you guys should heed Sarah Palin's advise.
Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God
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High unemployment? 70 years ago our unemployment rate was in the 50 percentile range.

$12T Debt is a problem, but there are always solutions. In our young history as a nation we've had our damn White House burnt to the ground, and yet we came back from it.
 
Arch Enemy said:
High unemployment? 70 years ago our unemployment rate was in the 50 percentile range.

$12T Debt is a problem, but there are always solutions. In our young history as a nation we've had our damn White House burnt to the ground, and yet we came back from it.
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was this total or how we count it now? link? ;)
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
was this total or how we count it now? link? ;)
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Well the national unemployment was more like the 30-40%, but this is what I was talking about

13 million people are out of work. Millions of others have had their hours severely cut.
In Lowell, Massachusetts, once the center of the American textile industry, the unemployment rate is 90 percent. In Akron, Ohio, the unemployment rate is 60 percent; in Cleveland, Ohio, 50 percent; in Toledo, Ohio, 80 percent. There are 1 million workers without jobs in New York City. Every week another 100,000 workers across the country lose their jobs.
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http://amhist.ist.unomaha.edu/lesso...at Depression happen?_lesson_template_mps.doc
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
17% total, 10.2% counted i think.
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Sure, sounds good to me. It might be a year or two, but I do believe that number will drop. We'll probably, as a result, be seeing much more foreign companies in America providing jobs.

I'm not an economist, because I think that's stupid, but I listen to professors and people on the radio talk about it everyonce in a while.
 
Arch Enemy said:
Sure, sounds good to me. It might be a year or two, but I do believe that number will drop. We'll probably, as a result, be seeing much more foreign companies in America providing jobs.

I'm not an economist, because I think that's stupid, but I listen to professors and people on the radio talk about it everyonce in a while.
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Kinda like the last time when Japan was buying times square... ;)
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Kinda like the last time when Japan was buying times square... ;)
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The Chinese probably going to pull some extravagant **** and either buy a plot of land right next to the White House and/or buy the side of the Moon that faces us the most and right (in Chinese characters) "LOL".
 
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