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New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

I think so. But like I said, there are many privileges that only married couples have that power of attorney or other legal arrangement cannot replicate. And of those that can, some require much more than that.

Exactly. Further, it places a greater burden on the homosexual couple to cover all of these rights with different legal action whereas the heterosexual couple has only to go down to the JP with a blood test and a witness to get all that and then some.

And you will never cover without marriage many of the 1400 rights granted such as equitable dissolution of the contract, exemption from inheritance taxes, joint customs filing, etc.
 
This and abortion are two topics I can say with honesty that I can debate circles around most people. :mrgreen:

I see from your profile that perhaps you have personal knowledge in one of these areas.
 
I see from your profile that perhaps you have personal knowledge in one of these areas.

Yup. I have had 8 abortions. 2 with coat hangers, one with a vacuum cleaner and a plunger, and the other 5 at Planned Parenthood. They paid me to have them. :lol:
 
Yup. I have had 8 abortions. 2 with coat hangers, one with a vacuum cleaner and a plunger, and the other 5 at Planned Parenthood. They paid me to have them. :lol:

Just as I suspected.
 
No. Power of attorney does not grant all the same rights as a marriage.

Other than federal benefits such as social security, oh yes it does. Your argument then cones right down to social security and benefits like it, clearly a societies' decision to make, it's not a right.

Snarky as ever and still just as lazy in your analysis.

Snarky, unsnarky, lazy, whatever, my analysis is correct, and that's my only concern

Yes, really.

Incorrect.

It is defined EXACTLY as I stated it and has been since that exact language was used in Perez v Sharp in 1948.

From our Federal Defense of Marriage Act:

No state (or other political subdivision within the United States) needs to treat a relationship between persons of the same sex as a marriage, even if the relationship is considered a marriage in another state.
The federal government defines marriage as a legal union exclusively between one man and one woman

So, you're dead wrong.

So? Laws get overturned. Especially when they are proven to violate equality.

Then overturn the laws. Quit pretending its ignorance or fear or homophobia or any one of the dozen names the Left tries to distract with. Actually win a referendum on the issue would be me advice, you're 0-31.

Why don't you familiarize yourself with the list of over 1400 rights granted by marriage and the body of case law that has contributed to marriage and then see if you can't give me a definition of marriage that suits you?

I gave you the federal definition and fought hard for this definition in my state constitution specifically defining marriage as between one man and one woman.

One thing is for certain, the language stating that two people name each other as irreplaceable will surface over and over again.

Not in this state not the majority who have passed amendments specifcally defining marriage.

But you were depthless and lazy in your mindless parroting of a trite sound byte as an analysis before so I don't really expect you to educate yourself any further.

Nothing to educate me on...nor anyone else, the easiest issue on the planet. We are all familiar with what marriage is, most of us have been married or know many people who are married. And the majority in this nation, in fact, an overwhelming majority, feel it should be restricted to one man and one woman and reject cries that someone is being denied rights. Cause they ain't.

It is grossly simplified.

It's not complicated, it cannot be over simplified. Any two bit high school drop out can make an educated decision as a member of society. Should marriage be restricted to one man and one woman only? And the overwhelming answer is yes it should be. Quite easy.

No, it is precise but it is not accurate.

Both precise and accurate, sorry.

No, what has happened is that the debate continually gets focused on a plethora of lies and red herrings as shown in California.

The lies are what got Obama elected in California, a front burner blue state. California though voted prop 8 overwhelmingly, there were no lies no red herrings. Society feels quite strongly that marriage be defined and defined by we the People. And we've done so in the majority of states, on the federal level, and consistently through referendum. Sorry, I think it's the truth and not lies that has defeated your endeavors here...jallman.
 
Other than federal benefits such as social security, oh yes it does. Your argument then cones right down to social security and benefits like it, clearly a societies' decision to make, it's not a right.

Oh no it does not. There are other issues such as dissolution of obligations, mutual inheritance of joint property, etc.

Snarky, unsnarky, lazy, whatever, my analysis is correct, and that's my only concern

No, you are not correct in your analysis. Mindless repetition of it is not going to make you correct, either.


Incorrect.

Funny how you make no attempt to show it as incorrect. :roll:

From our Federal Defense of Marriage Act:



So, you're dead wrong.

Uh, no. Pointing to the point of contention as your argument for the point of contention being correct in your favor is not an argument. Try again.

Then overturn the laws. Quit pretending its ignorance or fear or homophobia or any one of the dozen names the Left tries to distract with. Actually win a referendum on the issue would be me advice, you're 0-31.

I don't think I used the words ignorance, fear, or homophobia so please do not assign to me arguments I did not make despite how much you may need to create arguments that you can actually defend. Let's try to stick to the arguments being made in this thread, hmmm?


I gave you the federal definition and fought hard for this definition in my state constitution specifically defining marriage as between one man and one woman.

Again, enumerating the point of contention as an argument that your side of the debate is correct is not an argument. It's simply restating the point of contention.

Not in this state not the majority who have passed amendments specifcally defining marriage.

All you have done is show a true devotion to remaining uneducated about the very debate you hope to be taken seriously in. :shrug:

Case law that sets precedent is vital to the debate.

Nothing to educate me on...nor anyone else, the easiest issue on the planet. We are all familiar with what marriage is, most of us have been married or know many people who are married. And the majority in this nation, in fact, an overwhelming majority, feel it should be restricted to one man and one woman and reject cries that someone is being denied rights. Cause they ain't.

OK...it's apparent that this is not a serious discussion for you and that your entire point in being in this discussion is to childishly stick your thumbs in your ears and waggle your fingers while crying "Neener neener neener".

I have no more interest in discussing the issue with a pet rock. If you decide to explore the issue with something resembling civility, honesty, and maturity with a commitment to dialog, then perhaps we can pick this up. Until then, enjoy your childish antics and the adults will continue on without you.
 
Just like blacks had schools and whites had schools, and everyone had the right to go to school, right?

Please for the love of God stop insulting the civil rights movement by trying to compare racism to gay marriage.

Homosexuality is not genetic. There hasn't been a single case study where its been proven. Hell, they can't even find common traits in numbers as low as 60%.

Race and color ARE genetic.

Homosexuality is an alternative lifestyle, period. It does not equate to race in any way shape or form.

You don't live 50 years then all of a sudden discover you are black and you certainly can't attend a program to change the color of your skin or even experiment with your skin color.

And just so we are clear, bi sexuals aren't genetic either.

Until you can prove it is genetic, don't insult the civil rights movement of the 50s and 60s by trying to pretend it is equal.
 
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Please for the love of God stop insulting the civil rights movement by trying to compare racism to gay marriage.

Homosexuality is not genetic. There hasn't been a single case study where its been proven. Hell, they can't even find common traits in numbers as low as 60%.

Race and color ARE genetic.

Homosexuality is an alternative lifestyle, period. It does not equate to race in any way shape or form.

Here you are telling blatant lies again and pulling statistics out of your ass.

Studies with drosophilia indicate that a gene on the right arm of the third chromosome ironically called "fruitless", determines courtship patterns and sexuality. If there is such a gene in the drosophilia, it is not far fetched to believe that there is a similar compelling genetic factor in human sexuality.

Since 1973, it has been accepted fact that certain compounds found in nature called "endocrine disruptors" play a a huge role in determining gender assignment in fish and other reptiles and also in influencing sexuality in greater cats in the wild. These endocrine disruptors are found in more heavy concentrations in the human food supply due to our use of artificial growth hormones and antibiotics.

Further, twins studies consistently show a pattern of higher rates of homosexuality in identical twins than in fraternal twins, indicating a genetic factor.
 
You do realize that Murtha and Kerry are both decorated veterans, right?

:rolleyes:

You have to be kidding me..........Murtha is a crook and Kerry is a habitual liar.......:rofl
 
Uh-huh.

You have fun with that.

Bet you don't have the cajones to say it to their faces though.

I would be glad to and so woul a 1000 Viet Nam vets from my Fleet Reserve Assoc. and American Legion Lodges.......give us a chance........we tried in 2004 when Kerry was here but they would not let us get as close a a thousand feet of the podium......
 
You have to be kidding me..........Murtha is a crook and Kerry is a habitual liar.......:rofl

And what exactly does your assessment have to do with the fact that they are veterans? :roll:
 
Please for the love of God stop insulting the civil rights movement by trying to compare racism to gay marriage.

Homosexuality is not genetic. There hasn't been a single case study where its been proven. Hell, they can't even find common traits in numbers as low as 60%.

Race and color ARE genetic.

Homosexuality is an alternative lifestyle, period. It does not equate to race in any way shape or form.

You don't live 50 years then all of a sudden discover you are black and you certainly can't attend a program to change the color of your skin or even experiment with your skin color.

And just so we are clear, bi sexuals aren't genetic either.

Until you can prove it is genetic, don't insult the civil rights movement of the 50s and 60s by trying to pretend it is equal.

Homosexuality hasn't been proven to be genetic, nor has it exactly been disproven. While there is no specific gay gene, it doesn't mean that genetics don't play a role.
 
And what exactly does your assessment have to do with the fact that they are veterans? :roll:

The key word is decorated............I have more medals and awards then they do and I earned mine.......
 
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The key word is decorated............

Still, what does that have to do with your personal assessment of their character? I think everyone here is well aware of your feelings about both of them. Are you saying that they aren't decorated veterans?
 
Homosexuality hasn't been proven to be genetic, nor has it exactly been disproven. While there is no specific gay gene, it doesn't mean that genetics don't play a role.

As long as Gays can change then they have to be a class of people defined by their sexual oreientation............
 
Still, what does that have to do with your personal assessment of their character? I think everyone here is well aware of your feelings about both of them. Are you saying that they aren't decorated veterans?

I am saying their decorations are a fraud............
 
As long as Gays can change then they have to be a class of people defined by their sexual oreientation............

Oh are you referring to the absurd religious brainwashing programs that turn gay people into straight people? :lol:
 
As long as Gays can change then they have to be a class of people defined by their sexual oreientation............

Can you change your sexual orientation to be attracted to the same sex? No, you cannot. But then your ignorant homophobic comments are of no surprise.
 
As long as Gays can change then they have to be a class of people defined by their sexual oreientation............

When do gay people ever change? Or what do you mean?
 
Oh no it does not. There are other issues such as dissolution of obligations, mutual inheritance of joint property, etc.

Mutual inheritance of joint property and dissolution of obligations? Please, are you trying to be amusing?

No, you are not correct in your analysis. Mindless repetition of it is not going to make you correct, either.

I'm actually quite right, sorry.

Funny how you make no attempt to show it as incorrect.

I already did so.

Uh, no. Pointing to the point of contention as your argument for the point of contention being correct in your favor is not an argument.

:spin:

I don't think I used the words ignorance, fear, or homophobia so please do not assign to me arguments I did not make despite how much you may need to create arguments that you can actually defend. Let's try to stick to the arguments being made in this thread, hmmm?

I don't care what words you used, I'm merely addressing the point. It is often mistaken that those that oppose same sex marriage are an extreme fringe of religious zealots, or that the vote doesn't go pro same sex marriage because of "misinformation" or "lies." This isn't true, same sex marriage is stomped on across the nation, by many walks of life, in many different states red and blue. In truth, the extreme finge element is found on the pro same sex marriage side of the aisle, most people overwhelmingly oppose marriage being defined any other way than one woman, one man.

All you have done is show a true devotion to remaining uneducated about the very debate you hope to be taken seriously in.

Actually I'm quite learned, know much about the Loving vs. Virginia case you cited and am bringing links to laws specific on the books defining marriage.

Case law that sets precedent is vital to the debate.

So are laws passed by the Legislature such as the DOMA and State amendments to COnstitutions, in fact, they take precedent ocer case law. Your case study is Loving vs Virginia 1948, why not return to 1883 in Pace vs Alabama where the Supreme Court ruled that the conviction of an Alabama couple for interracial sex, affirmed on appeal by the Alabama Supreme Court, did not violate the 14th amendment? Is that case law not vital to the debate?

I'm giving you the most recent and telling reality concerning same sex marriage and marriage has been defined in dozens of state Constitutions. By We the People.

OK...it's apparent that this is not a serious discussion for you and that your entire point in being in this discussion is to childishly stick your thumbs in your ears and waggle your fingers while crying "Neener neener neener".

It's a very serious discussion...that you're losing. Again, support your point, marriage isn't what you suggested, not even close. Would you like to start addressing reality...please.

I have no more interest in discussing the issue with a pet rock. If you decide to explore the issue with something resembling civility, honesty, and maturity with a commitment to dialog, then perhaps we can pick this up. Until then, enjoy your childish antics and the adults will continue on without you.

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