Whose ducking? I've stated repeatedly throughout this that he commuted his sentence. I've stated repeatedly that was a bad decision on Huckabee's part. I've stated repeatedly his action's played a part in this. What the hell are you talking about in regards to "ducking"?
You are duckiing the fact that it began with him.
How many times do I have to repeat myself?
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Huckabee didn't "interfere" in the process because the actiosn he took is PART OF THE PROCESS.
This is like saying someone that fouls someone in basektball is "interfering with the process of the game". No, its part of the game. Its in the rules. Same thing here. You could say he was interfering in the sentencing, but that's the exact PUROSE of the ability to commute sentences and pardon people and that's its purpose IN THE PROCESS.
WRONG. It is NOT part of the process. It is an elective choice. Commuting a sentence is NOT part of the process. It is an action that can be taken but is certainly not standard procedure. I can't believe you are trying to pretend it is.
No, I don't want to excuse Huckabee for that. I've not excused him yet. You like to make crap up. I'm saying that people LYING about what he did by saying he pardoned a guy, MISLEADING people by implying that he pardoned the guy of rape, and and people trying to make this ALL Huckabee's fault are EXTREMELY over exaggerating the issue for alterior reasons other than the facts which is excusing every single other person involved in this screw up.
You are making an excuse for him when you pretend communiting a prisnor's sentence is part of the standard process for the judicial system.
Thats about as stupid as saying pardons are standard processes.
They are NOT. They are an elective choice to be taken at the will of the governor, NOT part of the judicial system process.
It is you who are trying to mislead people. Not all criminals once they are sentenced go to the governor for even consideration of commuting a sentence and to pretend it is just smacks of dishonesty.
"If I only had a brain...."
I know but for some reason you still pretend you have one.
Nice strawman.
I never stated you said what Huckabee did was illegal. Please find me making that claim. You stated that he interfered with a lawful sentencing, implying that somehow since the sentencing was lawful it was wrong for Huckabee to commute it. However, if you’re reason for agreeing with the sentence is that it was “lawful” then you can’t truly get overly upset with Huckabee because what he did was ALSO lawful, ALSO part of the system, and perfectly acceptable in regards to the law.
Yes you did say I was claiming what he did was unlawful. I quote your post:
You want to say that Huckabee overturned a "lawful punishment" while ignoring the fact that what Huckabee did was ALSO lawful.
Why was one lawful, but possibly negligent thing (a grossly over the top jail sentence), something you'll happily ignore, forgive, and not even mention but another lawful but possibly negligent thing (commuting his sentence), something you want to crucify a man for?
I never ignored what he did was lawful nor did I claim he ever did anything unlawful. That was your false claim.
YOU threw the “lawful” word around as a means of implying why Huckabee was wrong for commuting the sentence. I simply stated if the fact it was “lawful” to you mattered then why are you mad at Huckabee doing something “lawful”.
Bull****. I never ever stated what he did was unlawful. I said he commuted a lawful sentence which he absoluitely did. You are dishonestly trying to make it to be a questioning of his act as an unlawful one which I never did and that is what makes you the liar.
I never once stated you said it was illegal.
Yes you did. See above.
Ditto above. I never said you stated that.
Again, yes you did, see above.
His “interference” is PART OF THE PROCESS.
WRONG AGAIN. It is NOT part of the process for criminals to have thier cases reviewed for communiting their sentences.
That is a SEPARATE ACT the Governor CAN take but you are flat out LYING to claim it is part of the process because unless it happens to ALL cases is it NOT.
Actually, I’m not that big of a fan of him…as I’ve already said in this thread. I don’t think he’d ever have a chance at winning the Presidency. I didn’t like his comments regarding the constitution. I think he can be fairly entertaining when on something like Colbert and has a few views I like, but he’s a bit too much of a religious theocrat for me. I don’t excuse his actions at all, I simply don’t over exaggerate them or even downright lie about them like some have in this thread.
No you just lie about what others have said about his actions then try to spin his responsibility for his own actions by pretending the entire start of the process of this criminal getting out early didn't begin with him.
It absolutely began with him and you simply are not honest enough to admit that.
And I’ll say it again, his commuting was also completely lawful
And I'll say it again, I never said it wasn't.
Wrong again. It is not. It is an elective choice of power not part of the process for every criminal sentences.
and simply because, if we accept your premise, it “started” with him does not excuse every other person in the line nor make him leaps and bounds more guilty.
I said it started with him. I never EVER said that no one else let him out early.
I said the entire process of this guy getting out early began with Huckabee which is 100% correct and you aren't honest enough to admit that.
Oh, I’m sure it was taken into account. Doesn’t mean they had to go along with it. Doesn’t mean they don’t share some of the blame.
How many times do I have to say it started with him before you actually read it? 4? 5?
What?! You’d say it’s the fault of everyone that voting for it? But…but how!? I mean, shouldn’t the only person you care about be the person that STARTED it?! I mean I don’t hear you going on about the parole board, or the judge, or the prosecutor that filed paper work wrong, hell I hardly hear you talking bad about the criminal. All I see you doing is ranting and raving about Huckabee because “he started it”. Yet you’d be blame “anyone” that voted for it?
Odd.
My God you are dishonest.
What you took out of the quote was the next line I said:
Starting with the person who proposed it in the first place.
I never once excused any judge in Arkansas or the parole board or the judges in the NorthWest.
I said it STARTED with Huckabee because if he didn't INTERFERE which exactly what he did this guy would have NEVER been eligible for parole and would still be in JAIL. That does NOT mean I excuse what others did after that fact.
Until you are honest enough about this fact, there is nothing more to say.
And you couldn't have been more
DISHONEST by removing the very next quote in that answer to you which proved I never changed my opinion once.
Again, do you have proof to do this? As I said to someone else, is this just baseless accusations because you dislike the guys religion or are you somehow a mind reader. Proof he did this simply because “he liked the fact this guy claimed he was born again” and not due to any other reasons?
LOL I think his criminal record after he got out kinda puts a damper in his born again Christian claim. Wow, thats the dumbest you've made so far but also the most amusing.
I don’t feel sorry for him at all. He should be feeling incredibly guilty. Pardoning and commutations are powerful tools of the executive and he used it far to liberally (again, not the political use of the word). That said, I’m not a hack. I actually like to look at things with intellectual honesty and logic rather than emotion.
Sure you do. That's why you can't even admit this guy would still been in jail if not for Huckabee commuting his sentence.
If people were actually insulting and attacking Huckabee based on real FACTS and weren’t over exaggerating his role in this while all but ignoring every, single, other persons role in this…including some seemingly completely ignoring the guy that actually DID the act…I’d be right there with them. But when people flat out lie (like the one poster who continued to call it a pardon), when people flat out mislead (like the poster that continued to imply that the sentence Huckabee acted on was for rape), and when people over exaggerate the guilt of one while basically writing off everyone else then it requires someone to actually argue from the side of logic and honesty.
No one exaggerated his role. Not once. I said it began with him and it did. You simply cannot admit he would never have been eligible for parole without Huckabee which was the start of the entire process.
I would also suggest you not dishonestly omit quotes from someone's response then dishonestly claim a conclusion was made that was never stated.
It is the lowest and most dishonest form of debate.
The hell does that even mean?
My God how old are you? Do you even know who Dukakis is or do you need that spoonfed to you as well?
I doubt that’s the case, I’d be voting for Reagan.
Um, uh hey Genius, Dukakis ran against Bush.
Thanks for ending it with the same attention to detail and intellectual prowess I've come to expect from your replies. :rofl
