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Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

Come on rev. This isn't just "some on the left". There's people on both sides doing this. Tex is FAR from someone I'd call a liberal, if anything he's been over the top far right conservative at times, and yet is arguing this almost as loud as anyone
 
exacty, and AND huckabee only communicated the sentence, he was released by the parole board...

Without clemency, there would've been no parole.

Huckabee takes the lion's share of the blame on this one.
 
"Huckabee takes the lion's share of the blame on this one."
I disagree. I believe our system takes the lion's share of the blame. Prison as punishment is a relatively new phenomenon, along with the notion of rehabilitation in prison. If someone commits a crime resulting in a sentence of 1.5 X his life span, why should he NOT receive the death penalty within the next month?
 
Come on rev. This isn't just "some on the left". There's people on both sides doing this. Tex is FAR from someone I'd call a liberal, if anything he's been over the top far right conservative at times, and yet is arguing this almost as loud as anyone





+1 I realized this as I was reading your post....



It's a damn shame.... on all accounts.
 
If someone commits a crime resulting in a sentence of 1.5 X his life span, why should he NOT receive the death penalty within the next month?

You mean crimes, as in plural. This guy had 5 felony convictions for a total of 108 years.

He's a repeat offender and Arkansas' three-strikes law kicked in.
 
You claim to be a libertarian.... What was this person sentenced to "105 years" for?

:roll:

Maurice Clemmons' record UPDATE

To clarify matters, here's what state Correction Department spokesman Dina Tyler says the state record shows for a criminal past for Maurice Clemmons (shown in LRPD mugshot), who's being sought for questioning in the slaying of four Washington police officers. (UPDATE on earlier: Clemmons turned out not to be inside a house that officers had surrounded most of the night.)

* Sentenced to 5 years for robbery in Pulaski County, Aug. 3, 1989.

* Sentenced to 8 years for burglary, theft and probation revocation in Pulaski County, Sept. 9, 1989

* Sentenced to an indeterminate amount for aggravated robbery and theft in Pulaski County, Nov. 15, 1989

* Sentenced to 20 years each for burglary and theft of property in Pulaski County, Feb. 23, 1990.

* Sentenced to 6 years for firearm possession in Pulaski County, Nov. 19, 1990.

Tyler said some sentences were concurrent and some consecutive. But the total effect of all these sentences was a sentence of 108 years.

On May 3, 2000, Gov. Mike Huckabee commuted Clemmons' sentence to 47 years, 5 months and 19 days, which made him eligible for parole that day. The Parole Board granted his parole July 13, 2000. He was released Aug. 1, 2000.

Clemmons then returned to prison for a July 13, 2001 conviction for robbery in Ouachita County, for which he received a 10-year sentence. He was paroled March 18, 2004.

Tyler said Clemmons wouldn't fully discharge his paroled sentence until Sept. 19, 2021.
 
Huckabee made a mistake when he commuted the sentence in 2000. However, when he was paroled in 2001 and then AGAIN was convicted of robery, the real culprits are those that paroled him in 2004. He should have not been given parole a second time given that he was a repeat offender of the same crime he was paroled for the first time.
 
"Huckabee takes the lion's share of the blame on this one."
I disagree. I believe our system takes the lion's share of the blame. Prison as punishment is a relatively new phenomenon, along with the notion of rehabilitation in prison. If someone commits a crime resulting in a sentence of 1.5 X his life span, why should he NOT receive the death penalty within the next month?

A basic assumption of the justice and penal system is that ANYONE not given a death sentence will eventually be released.

No prison system wants to hang on to a bunch of 80 year old inmates sentenced to life 60 years ago.
 
You know what Dayton, I am a daughter of a cop I find you defending Huckabee sicking. I find anyone defending Huckabee and the cop killer sicking,

I find anyone holding political views because of what their daddy does for a living to be sickening.

I've never defended Clemmons.

All I've said was that Huckabee did nothing wrong in commuting his sentence based on the information he had at the time.
 
A basic assumption of the justice and penal system is that ANYONE not given a death sentence will eventually be released.

No prison system wants to hang on to a bunch of 80 year old inmates sentenced to life 60 years ago.

Then keep him till he's 70 and then release him.
 
So no one was killed, and we sentenced this guy to die in prison?



He'll some murderers get a better deal than this...


But whatever to attack the right winger du jour. :shrug:

Not my fault Huckabee's a rightie. I'd hold the same view if the gov at the time was a leftie.
 
You know what Dayton, I am a daughter of a cop I find you defending Huckabee sicking. I find anyone defending Huckabee and the cop killer sicking,




My cousin who is a brother is a cop, I train cops, I work with cops, I lost friends who were cops in the terrorist attacks of 911.



Huckabee saw an excessive sentence and commuted it to 50 years, what he saw as a violation of the 8th amendment of the US constitution...


He did not parole the guy, just commuted the sentence to 50 years....

Yeah they let the savage out early, but jeeze, you can't blame huckabee for the actions of this savage.... Its pure partisan hackery.
 
105 years for burguraly and robbery is a violation of the 8th amendment, as a libertarian I am suprised you don't agree...

He's a repeat offender. He wasn't convicted for a one off crime. His total sentence was the result of five felony convictions.

8th amendment doesn't apply.
 
He's a repeat offender. He wasn't convicted for a one off crime. His total sentence was the result of five felony convictions.

8th amendment doesn't apply.

8th amendment applies even for multiple convictions
 
My cousin who is a brother is a cop, I train cops, I work with cops, I lost friends who were cops in the terrorist attacks of 911.

Huckabee saw an excessive sentence and commuted it to 50 years, what he saw as a violation of the 8th amendment of the US constitution...

He did not parole the guy, just commuted the sentence to 50 years....

Yeah they let the savage out early, but jeeze, you can't blame huckabee for the actions of this savage.... Its pure partisan hackery.

Here's part of my issue.

I already said I disagree with the excessively large number of pardons and commutations Huckabee gave out.

With that said though....

How many of those individuals in a similar situation that had excessively long sentences that Huckabee commuted ended up going forth and being productive, healthy members of society that may have actually helped or even saved lives of other people.

Does Huckabee get equal credit for them?

Someone earlier said during his time Huckabee did what, somewhere around 600 pardon's or commutations.

Horrible consequences have came out about 2 of them.

lets say even 10% of the ones he did such acts for ended up being not just productive, but helpful and valued members of their community. That'd be 60 people.

Since it "started" with Huckabee with them, would you be giving him praises for all those people as well or would he still have been "interfering with the process" and absolutely wrong?

Are you all simply against any and all commutations and paroles? If so, that's fine, understandable view, just trying to understand this.

It seems though that unlike some of you that seem to be mind readers (since you know the ONLY reason Huckabee did this was becuase the guy claimed to be a christian) that Huckabee can't read minds and had to make judgement calls.

That doesn't excuse him when the judgement calls go bad.

but it also doesn't mean you should come down on him like he's almost personally responsable for these murders while saying almost nothing about anyone else that made bad judgement calls along the way
 
exacty, and AND huckabee only communicated the sentence, he was released by the parole board...


These officers were not even in the ground before some on the left used them to jump over a right winger.....


It's a sad display.

Just to make the point...and some of us on the left have defended him, despite not liking him. It's not because I like what he did(in his shoes, I don't think I would commute or pardon often if at all, I think if you do the crime, you do the time,law and order liberal that I am), but because I think if you are in a position to make big decisions on a daily bases, some are going to have unexpected repercussions. I don't think he acted poorly, just that in the fullness of time, looking back, with more information than he had, it's easy to judge, but from his position at the time, he did not have all that we know now.

Again, it's sad that something as nonpolitical as this is being twisted into a political issue.
 
I'm not a fan of the idea of pardons, clemency, commutations and such.

And when it comes to first degree murder I would execute virtually all of them unless there were some really massive circumstances to consider.

But.

Under existing law, what Governor Huckabee did was not wrong by any standard and not an unreasonable act.

Nor should anyone hold him responsible for acts people commit YEARS later.

While it sounds self centered, in regards to Dumond and Clemmons, Huckabee did his duty as governor as neither of those men committed their most notable crimes in the state of Arkansas after being released.
 
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