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Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

Partisan said:
Can they ban Islam while they're at it?.....:confused:
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No because see Christians are the ones who believe Jesus is the son of God.


I know its hard to follow these subtle differences between the major religions but do try :2wave:
 
Pardons have long been political, this is why I am against them, these men are not kings, they are not even judges, this practice should end IMHO.
 
Dayton3 said:
Toothpicvic said:
He was put in for life for a reason. What irks me the most is that the only reason Huckabee released this guy is because he "said" he was a "born-again Christian" just like the serial rapist.

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Actually there is no evidence of Clemmons ever claiming to be a "born again Christian".

And the rapist Wayne Dumond was paroled for a number of reasons. One being that Mick Huckabee's predecessor Jim Guy Tucker reduced his sentence.

As for Huckabee being soft on crime?

You must be kidding.

Governor Mike Huckabee approved the executions of more murderers than any modern Arkansas governor.

Including three in one day.
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But he wants to give drivers' licenses to illegal aliens.
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Again, I've seen no evidence that Clemmons ever claimed to be a "born again Christian" or that Governor Huckabee ever considered this possibility.
 
Jackboot said:
Pardons have long been political, this is why I am against them, these men are not kings, they are not even judges, this practice should end IMHO.
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You are probably right there. They do usurp the will of the jury of 12.
 
texmaster said:
No because see Christians are the ones who believe Jesus is the son of God.


I know its hard to follow these subtle differences between the major religions but do try :2wave:
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Why?....
They are all hogwash....
But I digress......;)
 
Jackboot said:
Pardons have long been political, this is why I am against them, these men are not kings, they are not even judges, this practice should end IMHO.
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Why are we still talking about pardons when they're not even at issue in either case mentioned here?
 
Dayton3 said:
Why are we still talking about pardons when they're not even at issue in either case mentioned here?
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The same reason we discussed them when it was Dukakis that made a political pardon, some believe this cost him the election, I of course, disagree with that assumption.
 
Dayton3 said:
Again, I've seen no evidence that Clemmons ever claimed to be a "born again Christian"
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Actually, he claimed to be Jesus. :roll:

Dayton3 said:
or that Governor Huckabee ever considered this possibility.
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You're not looking very hard, are you?

Mr. Huckabee, now a Fox News talk-show host, has been leading the pack of possible Republican contenders for president in 2012. But the killings of the police officers are focusing renewed attention on his long-contentious record of pardoning convicts or commuting their sentences.

In a decade as governor beginning in 1996, Mr. Huckabee did so twice as many times as his three predecessors combined. He typically gave little explanation for individual pardons. But he spoke often of his belief in redemption, based on a strong religious belief that even criminals are capable of changing their lives and often deserve a second chance. He also raised concerns about the fairness of the Arkansas justice system. --NYT
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CrusaderRabbit08 said:
Was that his only crime; one burglary?
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Hardly. His Arkansas record:

To clarify matters, here's what Arkansas state Correction Department spokesman Dina Tyler says the state record shows for a criminal past for Maurice Clemmons, who's being sought for questioning in the slaying of four Washington police officers.

* Sentenced to 5 years for robbery in Pulaski County, Aug. 3, 1989.

* Sentenced to 8 years for burglary, theft and probation revocation in Pulaski County, Sept. 9, 1989

* Sentenced to an indeterminate amount for aggravated robbery and theft in Pulaski County, Nov. 15, 1989

* Sentenced to 20 years each for burglary and theft of property in Pulaski County, Feb. 23, 1990.

* Sentenced to 6 years for firearm possession in Pulaski County, Nov. 19, 1990.

Tyler said some sentences were concurrent and some consecutive. But the total effect of all these sentences was a sentence of 108 years.

On May 3, 2000, Gov. Mike Huckabee commuted Clemmons' sentence to 47 years, 5 months and 19 days, which made him eligible for parole that day. The Parole Board granted his parole July 13, 2000. He was released Aug. 1, 2000.

Clemmons then returned to prison for a July 13, 2001 conviction for robbery in Ouachita County, for which he received a 10-year sentence. He was paroled March 18, 2004. --Maurice Clemmons' Record
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texmaster said:
You have proof of this or are you basing it on faith? :clap:
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No, I base it on common sense....
If I were the "Big Guy", I would remove all doubt for everyone the correct way to kowtow.......;)
 
Partisan said:
No, I base it on common sense....
If I were the "Big Guy", I would remove all doubt for everyone the correct way to kowtow.......;)
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So you assume you know what it would be like to be all knowing?

This just keeps getting better :rofl
 
Partisan said:
WOW!......:shock:
I can not see how this guy was ever released......:(
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He was just a kid at the time and Huckabee's a sucker for the Jesus for Jailbirds crowd ;)
 
Don't forget this either:

Here are the figures for neighboring states since 1996, when Huckabee took office (and keep in mind the population of these states is nearly 20 times ours):

___ >> Louisiana – 213.
___ >> Mississippi – 24.
___ >> Missouri – 79.
___ >> Oklahoma – 178.
___ >> Tennessee – 32.
___ >> Texas – 98 (in-cludes 36 inmates released because they were convicted on drug charges with planted evidence).

Total: 624 vs. Huckabee’s 703.
 
Here's the funny thing. Its very easy to criticize Huckabee here, along with everyone else in the line of justice that screwed up. However because you're using SO much hyperbole, SO much exaggeration, SO much misinformation, that it makes people have to defend him because you're making a mountain out of a mole hill and people just can't agree with that.

Toothpicvic said:
What I just said. lol nice use of semantics.
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No, its use of facts. I see that must be difficult for you because it doesn't allow you to make your absurd accusations, your over the top point, or justify your frothing outrage.

YOU stated he was pardoned, that’s factually incorrect. I’m sorry you think that’s Semantics but why don’t you bitch about your lying rather than someone using facts?

Huckabee did not pardon him, he commuted his sentence. These are two noticeably different things. For one, it doesn’t absolve the person of their crime. Two, it simply lowered his sentence and allowed for the chance of parole. Parole mind you that would need to be decided upon not by Huckabee but by others.

Does this mean Huckabee is right about what he did? Not necessarily. But your over exaggeration shows you’re more interested in attacking Huckabee than the truth, and realize that the TRUTH of the matter doesn’t make Huckabee look as bad as your fictional world so you have to exaggerate to make your point.

Reduced the sentence of a child rapist and murderer in order to ensure the mean's release? And that doesn't concern you? This isn't the first time he's done it either.
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Such as here. You continue to attempt to mislead, misrepresent, and deceive people because you have a worthless, factually incorrect point to justify you’re asinine outrage instead of actually presenting this factually…an action that’d likely have gotten people to agree with you.

He reduced the sentence of a burglar. The person had not raped a child nor murdered anyone upon the time that Huckabee reduced the sentence. Unless Huckabee has the power of seeing into the future, he did not commute the sentence at that time of a child rapist and murder but of a burglar.

You're partisanship is showing. It's pretty sad when a conservative will throw their morals out the wind and essentially say a man like this "didn't really need to be behind bars" if it gives them an excuse to defend their party.
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It’s pretty sad when you want sooooo badly to come down with righteous fury against someone you dislike so much that you’re purposefully exaggerate facts, flat out lie about things, and mislead people to make it seem worse then it is and then bitch about “semantics” when someone actually presents the real facts.

Then he's a *****. This guy could've been given the death penalty and I wouldn't blink an eye.
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So you’re for the death penalty for robbers? Good to know you’re so authoritarian.

Toothpicvic said:
What irks me the most is that the only reason Huckabee released this guy is because he "said" he was a "born-again Christian" just like the serial rapist.
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Oh look, wonder of wonders, more misrepresentation, exaggeration, and flat out seeming lies or just ignorant statements from you about this.

First off, again, HUCKABEE DIDN’T RELEASE THIS GUY. Will you stop with that lie, its getting tiresome.

Second, so it’s the only reason Huckabee commuted his sentence was because he was a born again Christian? Really? Do you have some facts to back this up? What proof do you have that the ONLY reason for it was that? What proof do you have the statements that the judge recommended the commutation either had nothing to do with Huckabee’s decision or was a lie? Seriously, I’d love to see some proof to this or flat out admit its just your hateful ignorant opinion on the matter.
 
Dayton3 said:
He must have the Democrats really worried for 2012.
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Thanks for inserting actual facts but seriously, can you stop with the "democrats worried" thing. No person I can think of, on either side, is "scared" or "worried" about what candidates the other side may put up. No ones quivering at the thought of Mike Huckabee
 
As I said in other threads...

Huckabee has been way to liberal (not the political use of the word) in his signing of commutations, pardons, etc. Its a power I generally dislike for executives to have, though I get that there is a purpose to it. His hands are not clean in regards to the action of this criminal.

HOWEVER

Neither is the hands of the parole board completely clean, nor the judge, nor the prosecuter that screwed up paperwork some time later on another charge, and on and on.

The justice system failed in many places here.

All are partially to blame for this but before people start trying to grab this for political points and taking political pot shots the fact of the matter is NO ONE is more to blame for this than the person that actually perpetrated the action.
 
Zyphlin said:
As I said in other threads...

Huckabee has been way to liberal (not the political use of the word) in his signing of commutations, pardons, etc. Its a power I generally dislike for executives to have, though I get that there is a purpose to it. His hands are not clean in regards to the action of this criminal.

HOWEVER

Neither is the hands of the parole board completely clean, nor the judge, nor the prosecuter that screwed up paperwork some time later on another charge, and on and on.

The justice system failed in many places here.

All are partially to blame for this but before people start trying to grab this for political points and taking political pot shots the fact of the matter is NO ONE is more to blame for this than the person that actually perpetrated the action.
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The focus is on him because it started with him.
 
Once again, not a single shred of evidence has been presented that Clemmons ever claimed to be a "Christian", "born again" or to "have found Jesus".

What about the parole board? What about the presiding judge who agreed with the parole board decision? What about the prosecutors who failed to file charges in a timely manner after his parole violation and then dismissed the charges?

Finally, what about authorities in Washington?

All this yet somehow people are proclaiming that "Mike Huckabee is to blame".
 
I didn't read this whole thread, but, Huckabee commuted a 105 year life sentence to something else I think 46 years. It was the parole board that released him...


two questions.


1. what did he origionally get the 105 years for?

2. What did others get for the same thing?
 
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