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Swiss voters approve constitutional ban of minarets

TheNextEra said:
There is a difference in dictating and criticizing. Just because a country is allowed to do something, doesn't mean it is the right thing to do.

Criticizing the swiss for an action is not the same as dictating to them what they have to do.
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We have mexican nationals present ethnically cleansing neighborhoods of american citizens simply because they are black in southern california. I repeat. I don't have a problem with a country where the citizens choose to exercise some control over immigrants and their behavior.



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Latino Gang Accused of Targeting Blacks Near LA
Members of Latino gang accused of flooding LA-area city with drugs, trying to chase out blacks
By THOMAS WATKINS Associated Press Writer


An unidentified Los Angeles County Sheriff's deputy displays weapons confiscated in a gang take down before a news conference Thursday May 21, 2009, in Lakewood, Calif. A Latino street gang waged a racist campaign to eliminate black people from a Southern California city through attempted murders and other crimes, according to federal racketeering indictments unsealed Thursday.
(AP Photo/Damian Dovarganes)A Latino street gang waged a racist campaign to eliminate the city's black residents through attempted murders and other crimes, according to federal racketeering indictments unsealed Thursday.

Five indictments charged a total of 147 members and associates of the Varrio Hawaiian Gardens gang, and federal and local agencies arrested 63 of them by early Thursday, U.S. Attorney Thomas P. O'Brien said at a news conference.

Another 35 defendants were already in custody on unrelated charges. Weapons and drugs worth more than $1 million also were seized in what O'Brien called "the largest gang takedown in United States history."....
 
TheNextEra said:
Ah so now you get to pick and choose the goalposts? Don't think so, sorry.
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Yes, I think so. Banning minarets isn't the same thing as killing millions of your own citizens.


You just like the fact that Muslims are being discriminated against and are quite satisfied with it.
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Actually, I have a tendancy to like people of faith, any faith. Athiests, generally speaking, are a pain in the ass. However, this is switzerland we're talking about, not some god forsaken multi-cultural fantasy land. I feel they have every right to make demands of this sort on it's immigrants.
 
Dutch said:
Yes, I think so. Banning minarets isn't the same thing as killing millions of your own citizens.
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You claimed you have no problem with a country exercising matters within their own borders, that includes murder. Don't make generalizing statements then.

Dutch said:
I feel they have every right to make demands of this sort on it's immigrants.
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Yes, you feel taking away freedoms from members of a religion is ok. You support fascism, that's good to know.
 
Dutch said:
The swiss are simply exercising control over matters within their own borders. I have no problem with this.
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I don't see how the government has the proper power. So long as the buildings complied to code, making this illegal is nothing more than government force against a religion. Which everyone should ALWAYS have a problem with.
 
TheNextEra said:
You claimed you have no problem with a country exercising matters within their own borders, that includes murder. Don't make generalizing statements then.
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I didn't say that, you did.

Yes, you feel taking away freedoms from members of a religion is ok. You support fascism, that's good to know.
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If you knew anything about religion you'd know it isn't limited by building codes. I'm not a fascist. I'm a [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism"]classical liberal[/ame].
 
TheNextEra said:
You claimed you have no problem with a country exercising matters within their own borders, that includes murder. Don't make generalizing statements then.



Yes, you feel taking away freedoms from members of a religion is ok. You support fascism, that's good to know.
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I'm glad you finally support prayer in school.
 
Ikari said:
I don't see how the government has the proper power. So long as the buildings complied to code, making this illegal is nothing more than government force against a religion. Which everyone should ALWAYS have a problem with.
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Seems to me this is the will of the people switzerland.
 
Dutch said:
Get back to me when banning minarets in switzerland is the same thing as the world's largest communist concentration camp. ;)
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It's not surprise that you completely miss the point.

If the Swiss can do what they want within their borders, why can't North Korea?
 
Dutch said:
The swiss are simply exercising control over matters within their own borders. I have no problem with this.
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How about the Saudis chopping off hands and heads?
 
misterman said:
The will of the people isn't always right.
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Of course not, that's why the people in the government (who are much smarter than the citizens) need to override the will of the People and build tall churches for Muslims whose church traditions generally emphasize hating the West. The minarets could serve as excellent sniper positions.
 
misterman said:
It's not surprise that you completely miss the point.

If the Swiss can do what they want within their borders, why can't North Korea?
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It's a lousy comparison. I mean, honestly. You could do better here.
 
Dutch said:
I'll take the majority of a people any day over its elitists.
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Oh, boy. You're more confused than I thought.

Even in the U.S., the will of the people is limited. There are certain things the government cannot do, even if an overwhelming majority support doing them. You can find a list of these forbidden things in the U.S. Constitution. Most are in the Bill of Rights.
 
American said:
Of course not, that's why the people in the government (who are much smarter than the citizens) need to override the will of the People and build tall churches for Muslims whose church traditions generally emphasize hating the West. The minarets could serve as excellent sniper positions.
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What a silly statement. Nobody thinks that.
 
As much as I am critical of islam, and I believe their religion is intolerant, violent, and dangerous, I do not support the government outlawing religious symbols of any faith. I think they have put themselves in danger with this decision, and there were others ways to address this issue, I just happen to think they made the wrong choice here. I have long heard the stories coming out of europe about the tension between muslims and the native people, but I did not know it had come to this!:shock:
 
Dutch said:
It's a lousy comparison. I mean, honestly. You could do better here.
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Nice dodge.

Tell me why it's a lousy comparison.

Either we can have an opinion about what other countries do within their borders, or we can't. Make up your mind.
 
Dutch said:
Seems to me this is the will of the people switzerland.
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If the will of the people was that Muslims could be made slaves, would you still think it's good? The rights of the individual restrict what actions the government may properly take. When it acts against those rights and liberties, it's treasonous and needs to stop.

Pure democracy, which you seem to endorse here, is nothing more than mob rule.
 
Ikari said:
If the will of the people was that Muslims could be made slaves, would you still think it's good? The rights of the individual restrict what actions the government may properly take. When it acts against those rights and liberties, it's treasonous and needs to stop.

Pure democracy, which you seem to endorse here, is nothing more than mob rule.
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Yes, or give them the option to leave....;)
 
Partisan said:
Yes, or give them the option to leave....;)
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How about if the Swiss made their own people slaves? How about if we had slaves in this country (again)?

The idea that we can't have any opinion about anything another country does is pure bull.
 
What it primarily boils down to (imo) is that if people want to move to a different country, with different cultural values and mores, then those immigrants should not expect their culture to be accepted into the mainstream. If I moved to Saudi Arabia, I would expect to live by Saudi customs. If I was not able to accept the customs, I would not move there.
 
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