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Irish republicans try to blow up Belfast police building

Slainte said:
Many Catholics from Ulster actually make a point to never use the term "Northern Ireland" and just call it the North of Ireland.

Martin McGuniness and Gerry Adams make a point of doing this when they are on British TV.
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Or they name the county or city they are from. "I'm from Derry/Armagh/Belfast/etc"



I can see where you are coming from, lets just agree that British is a complex term!
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Agreed. :mrgreen:
 
It doesn't matter what they call themselves. They're all Irish. Nobody should be moving away to solve a conflict.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Not sarcasm at all. What do the British need 6 counties in a neighboring isle for? Nothing.

GTFO PIGS!

IT'S GREEN, WHITE, AND GOLD!
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The British don't need the 6 counties. There are people in Northern Ireland who wish to stay British. No matter what the killers wish to call themselves, they are still murderers.
 
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misterman said:
It doesn't matter what they call themselves. They're all Irish. Nobody should be moving away to solve a conflict.
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I think Slainte and I are in agreement with you on the fact that nobody should be moving away to solve the conflict.


P.S. The people of Northern Ireland are all British as well. ;)
 
Red_Dave said:
So again. If the native Americans started a bombing campaign. Would it be fair to say that European Americans should up-sticks and leave instead of being ridiculous and keeping a whole ****ing country? You expect these people to just abandon their country?
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Native Americans weren't native to America. ;) They were simply there before whitey. We don't know who they kicked out before them.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Native Americans weren't native to America. ;) They were simply there before whitey. We don't know who they kicked out before them.
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Irish Catholics arent native to Ireland they were simply there before the Northern Irish protestants.
 
Tucker Case said:
I think Slainte and I are in agreement with you on the fact that nobody should be moving away to solve the conflict.
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Okay, but someone suggested it. I forget who.

P.S. The people of Northern Ireland are all British as well. ;)
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No argument with that.
 
Red_Dave said:
They have made their own way. They VOTED for the current set up (see good Friday agreement, which got the majority of votes from both communities in Northern Ireland and those in the south). The only people arguing against the right of those in Northern Ireland to make their own way here are Americans.
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Ireland was allowed a vote to return to sovereignty, when did this happen?
 
Red_Dave said:
What do you mean? Both Eire and Northern Ireland have sovereignty already
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I think he meant when did they vote to reunite with Ireland? He misunderstood your previous post probably. Some people just dont understand that they can call a referendum to opt out of the union whenever they like, and that the Northern Irish support the Union as much as the Welsh and Scots. :shrug:
 
kaya'08 said:
... and that the Northern Irish support the Union as much as the Welsh and Scots. :shrug:
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As the ratio of Catholics in population continues to increase, that may potentially change over time. But just recently Garza posted info that shows that Catholics in Northern Ireland are becoming more amenable to remaining a part of the UK. It's amazing what being treated as equals will do.
 
kaya'08 said:
I think he meant when did they vote to reunite with Ireland? He misunderstood your previous post probably. Some people just dont understand that they can call a referendum to opt out of the union whenever they like, and that the Northern Irish support the Union as much as the Welsh and Scots. :shrug:
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So the brits are no different then the jews, they move in, build settlements, then get to take a country acre by acre, does this about cover it?
 
Jackboot said:
So the brits are no different then the jews, they move in, build settlements, then get to take a country acre by acre, does this about cover it?
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That would have been an accurate assessment in the 17th century yes.
 
Red_Dave said:
That would have been an accurate assessment in the 17th century yes.
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So time heals all wounds, and erases all wrongs, is this your assumption?

And you are wrong, in the early 1920's, there was a war, and the mighty empire won, once again.
 
Jackboot said:
So time heals all wounds, and erases all wrongs, is this your assumption?

And you are wrong, in the early 1920's, there was a war, and the mighty empire won, once again.
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No. My point is that "the Brittish" are not seeking to extend their control of Ireland, this control has receded dramatically over the past century. Most people on the mainland wouldnt care if NI united with if that was what those living there wanted.

What? You mean the war of independence?, the same war that resulted in the Irish becoming independent? Doesnt seam like a defeat for the Irish for me.
 
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Red_Dave said:
No. My point is that "the Brittish" are not seeking to extend their control of Ireland, this control has receded dramatically over the past century.

What? You mean the war of independence?, the same war that resulted in the Irish becoming independent? Doesnt seam like a defeat for the Irish for me.
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They took one sixth of their country, that doesn't seem like a win to me.

Again, why not allow Ireland to be whole once again, if the brits there don't like it, they can go back to their own country?
 
Jackboot said:
So the brits are no different then the jews, they move in, build settlements, then get to take a country acre by acre, does this about cover it?
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I dont know is the Jews in a union with Palestine that they agreed to? :2wave:
 
Jackboot said:
They took one sixth of their country, that doesn't seem like a win to me.

Again, why not allow Ireland to be whole once again, if the brits there don't like it, they can go back to their own country?
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Again because the northern Irish have lived their since before your country has existed and have no less of a right to self determination then you do. How do you deport an entire nation? And why bother when the current set up is working and has the consent of those on both sides of the border.
 
kaya'08 said:
I dont know is the Jews in a union with Palestine that they agreed to? :2wave:
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While it is alarming that it was again the same empire that caused this great war as well, it is not true that there was any vote, this is a lie.
 
Jackboot said:
They took one sixth of their country, that doesn't seem like a win to me.
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One sixth?

Again, why not allow Ireland to be whole once again, if the brits there don't like it, they can go back to their own country?
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You can drill down nationalism as far as you want. The Irish want independence. Except for those in Northern Ireland. Except some Catholics in NI who do - so give them their own little state inside NI. And on and on. At some point, you have to just stop and make a country. Maybe you stop with a whole Ireland, maybe not. But you can't just assume that Ireland, or any country, is composed entirely of people with all the same desires and national feelings.

Look at the Balkans. The Croats wanted their independence - but not the Serbs inside Croatia. And on it goes.
 
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Red_Dave said:
Again because the northern Irish have lived their since before your country has existed and have no less of a right to self determination then you do. How do you deport an entire nation? And why bother when the current set up is working and has the consent of those on both sides of the border.
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Funny, the northern english, they don't seem to be getting along so well today, or in the past. I am not sure what you are referring to, where is this peaceful working relationship you are suggesting exists there?
 
misterman said:
One sixth?



You can drill down nationalism as far as you want. The Irish want independence. Except for those in Northern Ireland. Except some Catholics in NI who do - so give them their own little state inside NI. And on and on. At some point, you have to just stop and make a country. Maybe you stop with a whole Ireland, maybe not. But you can't just assume that Ireland, or any country, is composed entirely of people with all the same desires and national feelings.

Look at the Balkans. The Croats wanted their independence - but not the Serbs inside Croatia. And on it goes.
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I am sure they do not all agree, nor do we here, that is why we have a democratic vote, they should be allowed the same opportunity there.
 
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