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Muslim Nations Seeking International Blasphemy Ban

This is flat-out ridiculous and would quite possibly violate 2 clauses of the first amendment (freedom of speech and freedom of religion). If this law was ever passed here, I'd expect it to be struck down by the supreme court in under a year.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
What do you think? The whole idea offends my concept of free speech. Should blasphemy be grouped as hate speech?
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I would send the a nice note with a picture of Mohammed with an American combat boot shoved up his child-raping terrorist ass.
 
This must be by far the most intellectual debate that I've come across. Please carry on, it's a fascinating .

Just tell me though, how much difference is there between a Muslim fundamentalist mentality and some of the gems of wisdom that have been spread on this thread ?
 
Toothpicvic said:
Send 'em a nice nuke as a reply
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Nuke a million Muslims, instantly create tens of millions more recruits for jihad.

Better idea: Dismantle military-industrial monstrosity, reroute needless "defense" spending to health, housing, education, etc. at home and reparations for damages abroad, shut down unnecessary military bases in over 100 countries, bring American troops home, stop kicking over beehives across the globe. End foreign aid to the regimes in Tel Aviv, Riyadh, Cairo, etc.

Don't ruin their countries so much and the jihadis wouldn't have so many recruits in the first place. Will help not to ever arm, train, or fund jihadis again too, as Americans most notoriously did in Afghanistan in the 1970s-80s.
 
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Korimyr the Rat said:
No. Just too many arguments about pornography and other "human rights" that all boil down to the idea that society doesn't exist and "rugged individualists" shouldn't have to follow its rules, despite society and its rules being the only way that their standard of living is possible.
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I support pornography being legal and of course I readily acknowledge that society exists.

Sexually liberal policies such as regarding pornography and (honest) prostitution have a positive correlation with high standard of living. The countries most repressive toward pornography tend to be sh!tholes.
 
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Sov said:
Nuke a million Muslims, instantly create tens of millions more recruits for jihad.
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That's obviously a bad idea.

Sov said:
Better idea: Dismantle military-industrial monstrosity, reroute needless "defense" spending to health, housing, education, etc. at home and reparations for damages abroad, shut down unnecessary military bases in over 100 countries, bring American troops home, stop kicking over beehives across the globe. End foreign aid to the regimes in Tel Aviv, Riyadh, Cairo, etc.

Don't ruin their countries so much and the jihadis wouldn't have so many recruits in the first place. Will help not to ever arm, train, or fund jihadis again too, as Americans most notoriously did in Afghanistan in the 1970s-80s.
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Why would we want to dismantle our military-industrial complex? It provides many jobs and enables us to do many useful things.

Better to dismantle needless federal support for health, housing, education, etc and rebuild countries where we have destroyed infrastructure, train their militaries. Much better!
 
LOL they have wanted this since the formation of the UN for peak sake... it is hardly breaking news.

At one time the Church also wanted it btw, and I bet if you asked the hardcore Jews then they would be on board also.

Fact is, religion (regardless of which) cant handle descent among its people and it has been so for centuries.

For example..

Ireland introduces law to ban blasphemy on Independent Catholic News

A law forbidding blasphemy is due to come into force in Ireland this October. Offenders could be fined up to 25,000 Euros.
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Funny how that never got any headlines...
 
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reefedjib said:
Why would we want to dismantle our military-industrial complex? It provides many jobs and enables us to do many useful things.
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I mean the monstrosity that thrives on unnecessary warfare to justify its existence. The scientific/technological spinoffs have obviously been useful, but there's no reason that "war socialism" has to forever be the framework in which research is applied. Provides many jobs? Yeah, with taxpayers' money. And a large number are bureaucratic deadweight. I've always been amused at how conservatives who otherwise complain incessantly about government spending are suddenly OK with a gargantuan military-industrial complex.
reefedjib said:
Better to dismantle needless federal support for health, housing, education, etc and rebuild countries where we have destroyed infrastructure, train their militaries. Much better!
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I actually favor bottom-up healthcare, education, and so forth rather than ham-handed, top-down programs. Still, the latter would be a step up over wasting massive amounts of blood and treasure in the meat grinder of militarism. What did the Vietnam War accomplish other than make certain people wealthier and lose many others their lives and limbs? The "commies" were never overthrown and the Vietnamese are now normal trading partners with the U.S. All that blood spilled, and for what? The "war on terror" is just as much a waste.

LOL@ "train their militaries" - yeah, militaries Americans would be fighting in a couple decades. That's part of the cycle that needs to be broken.
 
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Mira said:
This must be by far the most intellectual debate that I've come across. Please carry on, it's a fascinating .

Just tell me though, how much difference is there between a Muslim fundamentalist mentality and some of the gems of wisdom that have been spread on this thread ?
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How's that generosity in respecting Muslim beliefs working out for you over in France?

Is France on the way to becoming an Islamic state? - Telegraph


j-mac
 
Sov said:
I mean the monstrosity that thrives on unnecessary warfare to justify its existence. The scientific/technological spinoffs have obviously been useful, but there's no reason that "war socialism" has to forever be the framework in which research is applied. Provides many jobs? Yeah, with taxpayers' money. And a large number are bureaucratic deadweight. I've always been amused at how conservatives who otherwise complain incessantly about government spending are suddenly OK with a gargantuan military-industrial complex.
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Unnecessary warfare? Got an example?

What's this about "war socialism"? There is no change to an administered economy. No socialization of the means of production. I would suggest to stop attempting to squeeze the real world to fit your ideology.

The thing about the military funding being a part of the constitution and the spending on health and lower-income populations is not a part of the constitution. Therein lies the cause of the complaint.

Sov said:
I actually favor bottom-up healthcare, education, and so forth rather than ham-handed, top-down programs. Still, the latter would be a step up over wasting massive amounts of blood and treasure in the meat grinder of militarism. What did the Vietnam War accomplish other than make certain people wealthier and lose many others their lives and limbs? The "commies" were never overthrown and the Vietnamese are now normal trading partners with the U.S. All that blood spilled, and for what? The "war on terror" is just as much a waste.
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I disagree. Vietnam we purportedly to stop the spread of communism. We failed at that to a degree and it was way too costly. Now we are stopping the spread of terrorism and succeeding well. Al Qaeda got their ass handed to them in Iraq.
 
They want protection for THEIR religion, right?
Perhaps the UN should say that as soon as every Islamic country allows and supports all other religions within their borders equally, they can have their blasphemy "rule".
But it would apply to all believers and non-believers the same. When it comes to religious BELIEFS, keep your biassed opinions to yourself....

It will never happen, of course..
 
Mira said:
Just tell me though, how much difference is there between a Muslim fundamentalist mentality and some of the gems of wisdom that have been spread on this thread ?
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Nobody has died because of this thread.
 
Mira said:
Just tell me though, how much difference is there between a Muslim fundamentalist mentality and some of the gems of wisdom that have been spread on this thread ?
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Probably about 40 or 50 points in I.Q.

Most people in this thread can spot the true hypocrisy.
 
UtahBill said:
They want protection for THEIR religion, right?
Perhaps the UN should say that as soon as every Islamic country allows and supports all other religions within their borders equally, they can have their blasphemy "rule".
But it would apply to all believers and non-believers the same. When it comes to religious BELIEFS, keep your biassed opinions to yourself....

It will never happen, of course..
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All religions want to "protect" their own religion... and they have done this by using blasphemy laws through out time. This is not new.. in fact the the Christian Church has been very successful in putting such laws and keeping such laws in many western countries. They are not presently being used, but they are still on the books.

But dont let the facts stand in the way of the Islam bashing...
 
PeteEU said:
All religions want to "protect" their own religion... and they have done this by using blasphemy laws through out time. This is not new.. in fact the the Christian Church has been very successful in putting such laws and keeping such laws in many western countries. They are not presently being used, but they are still on the books.

But dont let the facts stand in the way of the Islam bashing...
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I am just a simple poorly educated American, so please enlighten me....what laws are on the books and in which countires?

BTW, saying THE Christian Church is wrong, there is no such thing...not since the protestant reformation....
 
UtahBill said:
I am just a simple poorly educated American, so please enlighten me....what laws are on the books and in which countires?

BTW, saying THE Christian Church is wrong, there is no such thing...not since the protestant reformation....
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Just last year the blasphemy laws in the United Kingdom (making it illegal to insult Christianity) was finally repealed by Parliament and taken off the books. The last time it was used was in 1977, so not exactly 'ages' ago.

Blasphemy laws are lifted - Telegraph
 
UtahBill said:
I am just a simple poorly educated American, so please enlighten me....what laws are on the books and in which countires?

BTW, saying THE Christian Church is wrong, there is no such thing...not since the protestant reformation....
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Australia, Spain, Israel, Ireland, UK (was in part abolished in 2008 in Wales and England.. not Scotland and Northern Ireland), Austria, Canada, Finland, India, Greece and many more all have blasphemy laws on the books.

But yes many of them stem from a time where religion actually influenced those countries.. but that does not change the fact that attempts in many of those countries to remove them from the books have failed due to pressure from the church, either directly or indirectly.
 
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Laila said:
Just last year the blasphemy laws in the United Kingdom (making it illegal to insult Christianity) was finally repealed by Parliament and taken off the books. The last time it was used was in 1977, so not exactly 'ages' ago.

Blasphemy laws are lifted - Telegraph
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Was only England and Wales.. they still on the books in Northern Ireland and Scotland as far as I know.
 
PeteEU said:
Was only England and Wales.. they still on the books in Northern Ireland and Scotland as far as I know.
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Wow.
You'd think it would be abolished for all of UK.

Correction: It was abolished in Wales and England last year
I remember when some tried to use these blasphemy laws against that Jerry Springer opera
 
PeteEU said:
Australia, Spain, Israel, Ireland, UK (was in part abolished in 2008 in Wales and England.. not Scotland and Northern Ireland), Austria, Canada, Finland, India, Greece and many more all have blasphemy laws on the books.

But yes many of them stem from a time where religion actually influenced those countries.. but that does not change the fact that attempts in many of those countries to remove them from the books have failed due to pressure from the church, either directly or indirectly.
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How many of the above countries execute people for blasphemy like they do in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iran? In Afghanistan a man just had his death sentence overturned and instead was given 20 years in prison. He was a journalism student accused of blasphemy for asking questions in class about women's rights under Islam.
 
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OK, so the UK is slow to undo old laws....how does that excuse the current theocracies in the arab world?
 
SgtRock said:
How many of the above countries execute people for blasphemy like they do in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iran?
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Now or in the past?

Now, very few.. since most dont have the death penalty and the laws are not used. In the past, tons of people.. even in the good old USA.

But that does not change the fact that they are still on the books, so this fanatical targeting of some Islamic nations for having laws banning Blasphemy is nothing but more islamphobia by the right. It has been the wish of any religious organisation to have such laws on the books, because under their own laws it is a crime and their ultimate goal has been and always will be to merge their own rules into the law of the land if they can get away with it.

If you let the Christian radicals get their way, you bet in a heart beat that the blasphemy laws on the books will be put into practice again like they were 100 years ago.
 
PeteEU said:
Now or in the past?

Now, very few.. since most dont have the death penalty and the laws are not used. In the past, tons of people.. even in the good old USA.

But that does not change the fact that they are still on the books, so this fanatical targeting of some Islamic nations for having laws banning Blasphemy is nothing but more islamphobia by the right. It has been the wish of any religious organisation to have such laws on the books, because under their own laws it is a crime and their ultimate goal has been and always will be to merge their own rules into the law of the land if they can get away with it.

If you let the Christian radicals get their way, you bet in a heart beat that the blasphemy laws on the books will be put into practice again like they were 100 years ago.
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Excuse me, what century do we live in? Are you saying you approve of muslim countries executing their citizens for violating blasphemy laws?

Islamophobia by the right? I am pretty sure this is not a partisan issue. Most civilized peoples regardless of their political persuasion are against blasphemy laws. Especially capital punishment for blasphemy. Get real Pete.
 
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Toothpicvic said:
Send 'em a nice nuke as a reply
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If only 10% of Americans feel like this, its not bad....not good either, I'd prefer that we learn to respect others, which is not easy...
And have no fear, its still my opinion that Islam is a sick religion.
 
SgtRock said:
Excuse me, what century do we live in? Are you saying you approve of muslim countries executing their citizens for violating blasphemy laws?

Islamophobia by the right? I am pretty sure this is not a partisan issue. Most civilized peoples regardless of their political persuasion are against blasphemy laws. Especially capital punishment for blasphemy. Get real Pete.
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Hell no I never said that. In fact I am totally against such idiotic laws in any society.

I am only pointing out that not only do many "Christian" countries (and the one Jewish country also) already have these laws on the books but have used these laws for centuries. Heck in Irelands case they just put new blasphemy laws on the books and you dont get more "Christian" than Ireland at least in Europe.

So coming here and claiming that it is "only" Muslim nations that not only want and international ban but are behind some sort of push for it, is just idiotic and silly. If given the chance then the religious "aspects" of any society, Christian or Jewish would push for the exact same ban...

This should not be a discussion about "how bad the Muslims are again", but should be a discussion on how the hell we still allow religion to dictate our laws in the west as well as in the Islamic world. The only real difference is that in the west the death penalty and public flogging is illegal but the rules and laws in this case are still on the books and can be used if need be. It does not excuse us nor does it excuse the Muslim world for having local bans or wanting to have a global ban.

This is not a us against Muslim.. it is us against any religion.
 
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