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Obama "very close" to Afghan troop decision: TV report

That's right, and for a damn good political reason. They control the biggest chunk of oil over there, and provide a landing strip.
Yes, Americans should kiss Saudi ass and bend over to the oil lobby rather than develop alternative sources of energy that they'll eventually need anyway. 9/11 was well worth it. :roll:
 
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Cap and Trade and Healthcare are crafted by congress.
The president does not write law.
He doesn't decide what goes into the bill.
The president can't do anything about the economy.

So Obama has no influence on his filibuster proof congress?
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So Obama has no influence on his filibuster proof congress?
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Nope.

He has no influence.

He does not matter.

He is 100% irrelevant to the legislative process.
 
So how is that different than Iraq?

Iraqis are of the most educated people in the Middle East. This is different than Afghanistan.

Iraqis have a sense of national government that somewhat transcends the tribe where as Afghanis are very much generally concerned with clan and a government saturated in acceptable corruption.

Iraqis share a population of three distinct tribes that ultimately will have to get along whereas Afghanis share a population of dozens of individual clans that have more interest in clan preservation that a future community as a whole.



There is a world of difference between the two.
 
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Iraqis share a population of three distinct tribes that ultimately will have to get along..

They don't have to get along. What they need to do is split Iraq into three separate countries. Forcing them to live together is asinine.

The western powers really screwed up the Middle East when they took possession from the Ottomans at the end of WWI.

..and it's still a royal mess as a result of their interventionism.
 
I don't fall into traps.

Sure you don't.

Obama said he would be transparent and finish it. So Obama must have it planned out so your questions should be addressed to him. You don't like it when we look to Obama the one in charge who should have the answers and should do what he said be transparent.

Obama said a lot of stuff.

Doesn't change the fact that the underlying problems of Afghanistan haven't changed. You seem completely unwilling to even acknowledge that Bush never dealt with the key problem, but you have absolutely no problem bashing Obama on the same problem.

That's extreme hyperpartisanism at it's absolute worst.
 
They don't have to get along. What they need to do is split Iraq into three separate countries. Forcing them to live together is asinine.

The western powers really screwed up the Middle East when they took possession from the Ottomans at the end of WWI.

..and it's still a royal mess as a result of their interventionism.

Africa is a good example of what happens when you force people of different tribes to live together. :lol:
 
Iraqis are of the most educated people in the Middle East. This is different than Afghanistan.

Iraqis have a sense of national government that somewhat transcends the tribe where as Afghanis are very much generally concerned with clan and a government saturated in acceptable corruption.

Iraqis share a population of three distinct tribes that ultimately will have to get along whereas Afghanis share a population of dozens of individual clans that have more interest in clan preservation that a future community as a whole.



There is a world of difference between the two.

Show proof
 
Sure you don't.



Obama said a lot of stuff.

Doesn't change the fact that the underlying problems of Afghanistan haven't changed. You seem completely unwilling to even acknowledge that Bush never dealt with the key problem, but you have absolutely no problem bashing Obama on the same problem.

That's extreme hyperpartisanism at it's absolute worst.

So you support Obama even though he is a liar?
 
Here maybe this link will help, along with some middle school history lessons should do the job of clearing the fog out. ;)

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Does nothing and saying Iraq is smarter when they destroyed their country over tribal strength also does nothing. The people of Iraq over the last few years did not show they were well educated.
 
Does nothing and saying Iraq is smarter when they destroyed their country over tribal strength also does nothing. The people of Iraq over the last few years did not show they were well educated.


Well educated, like someone saying to a career Marine Gunnery Sergeant for a link proving to them something that they should have been taught in the seventh grade?

Come on, when you sighed on this site did you think that you were signing on Debate Opinions, rather then Debate Politics?

You might want to stand back and take a look at some the ridicules post you make. Evidently where you are used to posting they must give points for being the last post, regardless of how lame it is.
 
Well educated, like someone saying to a career Marine Gunnery Sergeant for a link proving to them something that they should have been taught in the seventh grade?

Come on, when you sighed on this site did you think that you were signing on Debate Opinions, rather then Debate Politics?

You might want to stand back and take a look at some the ridicules post you make. Evidently where you are used to posting they must give points for being the last post, regardless of how lame it is.

So where is the proof Iraq is better educated. How is sitting under Saddam different from sitting under the Taliban. The beheadings in Iraq must be proof of their education.
 
Come on, when you sighed on this site did you think that you were signing on Debate Opinions, rather then Debate Politics?

What's the difference?

Politics n.
1a: the art or science of government b: the art or science concerned with guiding or influencing governmental policy c: the art or science concerned with winning and holding control over a government
2: political actions, practices, or policies
3a: political affairs or business; especially : competition between competing interest groups or individuals for power and leadership b: political life especially as a principal activity or profession c: political activities characterized by artful and often dishonest practices
4: the political opinions or sympathies of a person
5a: the total complex of relations between people living in society b: relations or conduct in a particular area of experience especially as seen or dealt with from a political point of view
 
So where is the proof Iraq is better educated. How is sitting under Saddam different from sitting under the Taliban. The beheadings in Iraq must be proof of their education.


Here is gunny’s quote (Iraqis are of the most educated people in the Middle East.)Note the underlined words.

Now here is your quote. (So where is the proof Iraq is better educated.) I left out your meaningless references to the Taliban and beheading, as they have no bearing on what were discussing.

Do you see the difference in the term (Iraqis are of-Gunny) and (Iraq is better- you)?


As for as the education in the Middle East, you think of literacy, not Universities and Colleges. I imagine that before the war, the Iraq’s were more than likely in the middle of the pack.

According to this article, sometime between 1969 and1976, he instituted a nation-wide literacy project, non-attendance punishable by three years in jail. Man that’s an incentive to learn to read. :shock:


<He instituted a nation-wide literacy project, non-attendance punishable by three years in jail. Hundreds of thousands of illiterate Iraqi men, women and children learned to read. >


CBC News In Depth: Iraq
 
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What's the difference?

Politics n.
1a: the art or science of government b: the art or science concerned with guiding or influencing governmental policy c: the art or science concerned with winning and holding control over a government
2: political actions, practices, or policies
3a: political affairs or business; especially : competition between competing interest groups or individuals for power and leadership b: political life especially as a principal activity or profession c: political activities characterized by artful and often dishonest practices
4: the political opinions or sympathies of a person
5a: the total complex of relations between people living in society b: relations or conduct in a particular area of experience especially as seen or dealt with from a political point of view


You ever try finding a non partisan link for an opinion? :mrgreen:
 
Here is gunny’s quote (Iraqis are of the most educated people in the Middle East.)Note the underlined words.

Now here is your quote. (So where is the proof Iraq is better educated.) I left out your meaningless references to the Taliban and beheading, as they have no bearing on what were discussing.

Do you see the difference in the term (Iraqis are of-Gunny) and (Iraq is better- you)?


As for as the education in the Middle East, you think of literacy, not Universities and Colleges. I imagine that before the war, the Iraq’s were more than likely in the middle of the pack.

According to this article, sometime between 1969 and1976, he instituted a nation-wide literacy project, non-attendance punishable by three years in jail. Man that’s an incentive to learn to read. :shock:


<He instituted a nation-wide literacy project, non-attendance punishable by three years in jail. Hundreds of thousands of illiterate Iraqi men, women and children learned to read. >


CBC News In Depth: Iraq

So where is the proof of better educated. People that still behead and destroy their country for tribal pride do not show they are better educated.
 
So where is the proof of better educated. People that still behead and destroy their country for tribal pride do not show they are better educated.

Read post #230 again and get back to me when you can show me where gunny said anything about better. When does the term (Iraqis are of) equate to better? :roll:
 
Read post #230 again and get back to me when you can show me where gunny said anything about better. When does the term (Iraqis are of) equate to better? :roll:

Iraqis are of the most educated people in the Middle East. This is different than Afghanistan.


So different here does not mean better educated?
 
Iraqis are of the most educated people in the Middle East. This is different than Afghanistan.


So different here does not mean better educated?

Are you denying this or something?
It's pretty common knowledge, isn't it, that Iraq was- until recently- a comparatively prosperous and progressive nation with a high percentage of college-educated professionals, while Afghanistan is and always has been a bass-ackward, third-world tribal podunk with the highest poverty rate and lowest standard of living in the world?

I mean, this has been my impression.
Had you heard something different?
 
Are you denying this or something?
It's pretty common knowledge, isn't it, that Iraq was- until recently- a comparatively prosperous and progressive nation with a high percentage of college-educated professionals, while Afghanistan is and always has been a bass-ackward, third-world tribal podunk with the highest poverty rate and lowest standard of living in the world?

I mean, this has been my impression.
Had you heard something different?

I have seen no proof of what is common knowledge to those of you who claim it.
 
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