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Senate Health Bill Totals $849 Billion, CBO Estimates

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Here we go the fight is on.


Senate Health Bill Totals $849 Billion, CBO Estimates - FOXNews.com


Senate Democrats on Wednesday gleefully unveiled their version of President Obama's sweeping health care overhaul plan that congressional budget analysts estimate would cost $849 billion over 10 years-- a figure in line with Obama's call for a price tag of no larger than $900 billion.

"We all acknowledge this legislation is a tremendous step forward," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said at a news conference, flanked by several other Democrats. "Why? Because it saves lives, saves money and protects Medicare, makes Medicare stronger."

"We've traveled really a long ways to where we are and tonight begins the last leg of this journey that we've been on now for some time," Reid added.

The Senate bill, which includes a government-run insurance plan that would allow states to opt out, would extend health care coverage to more than 94 percent of the population, or 31 million additional Americans. It also would cut the federal deficit by $127 billion over the first 10 years and as much as $650 billion over the next 10 years, according to the analysis by the nonpartisan CBO.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid released the bill and its price tag to his colleagues Wednesday afternoon. He has spent weeks merging two versions of the bill that passed out of two separate Senate committees.
 
I understand the State opt-out bit from a Constitutional perpsective, but it would be a shame if people lose out on health coverage they want because a state's legislators vote for an opt out. I guess it would be too messy to let people opt out on an individual basis though.
 
I understand the State opt-out bit from a Constitutional perpsective, but it would be a shame if people lose out on health coverage they want because a state's legislators vote for an opt out. I guess it would be too messy to let people opt out on an individual basis though.

I think with 2074 pages there is much to be concerned about.

Senate bill weighs in at 2,074 pages - Live Pulse - POLITICO.com

In the Battle of the Health Bills, the Senate wins out, bulk-wise – weighing in at 2,074 pages.

The House health reform bill was a mere 1,990 pages when introduced.

That means the Senate bill -- like the one in the House -- runs more pages than War and Peace, and has nearly five times as many words as the Torah.

The table of contents alone is 14 pages.
 
Not much point in getting riled up until they actually release the CBO report. I don't see how this has changed much since the last bill in the Senate, except for the fact that they're adding more taxes and caving even further to the unions.
 
I understand the State opt-out bit from a Constitutional perpsective, but it would be a shame if people lose out on health coverage they want because a state's legislators vote for an opt out. I guess it would be too messy to let people opt out on an individual basis though.

The opt-out provision is just silly. It's not like the states can "opt-out" of paying the tax increases.
 
The opt-out provision is just silly. It's not like the states can "opt-out" of paying the tax increases.

The whole damned thing is silly.

I mean this seems really simple. If they came out and said "We are going to create a government program, funded by tax payer dollars(along with small fees based on patients ability to pay) that people can enroll in once they are uninsurable either due to medical or financial reasons."

You know, I would be fine with that. I could compromise my position for this.

But its not that. It's absurdity on the highest level. Its an attempt at the destruction of the health insurance industry, with "providing healthcare to the needy" as a cover.
 
The whole damned thing is silly.

I mean this seems really simple. If they came out and said "We are going to create a government program, funded by tax payer dollars(along with small fees based on patients ability to pay) that people can enroll in once they are uninsurable either due to medical or financial reasons."

You know, I would be fine with that. I could compromise my position for this.

I'd compromise on UHC if I thought the government could do it right.

But its not that. It's absurdity on the highest level. Its an attempt at the destruction of the health insurance industry, with "providing healthcare to the needy" as a cover.

It's a naked power grab. The lawyering Democratic elites want to sink their teeth into America's collective flesh forever and health care is the best way to do it.
 
I agree, it pretty will looks like s***, they should have given the option of Medicare for all rather than reinventing the wheel. Probably would have come in cheaper as well and used less paper. :(
 
It's a naked power grab.
I see it as rescuing us from the evil health insurance cartel and wicked Republicans who travel with them.

Democratic elites want to sink their teeth into America's collective flesh forever and health care is the best way to do it.
Republican elites want the health insurance cartel to sink their fangs even deeper into America's collective flesh.
 
I agree, it pretty will looks like s***, they should have given the option of Medicare for all rather than reinventing the wheel. Probably would have come in cheaper as well and used less paper. :(

Yep, with all the concessions and deal wrangling they had to do to try and keep the detractors happy enough to get some kind of bill to the table to just talk about it (*note that it hasn't even gotten to that point yet, but it has gotten closer*) has diluted and warped it into a total mess.

But guess who's going to get the blame for it not working as it could or should? Certainly not the ones that stripped and ripped it. And those that are most responsible for it's present mangled state are going to be the first ones to point the finger outward and declare 'I told you so' to the rousing cheers of their followers.
 
ATTENTION AMERICANS NOW IS THE TIME TO STAND UP FOR YOUR COUNTRY AND THE HOPE FOR A PROSPEROUS AND HAPPY FUTURE FOR YOU CHILDREN AND YOUR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN

This is not over stated and we cannot wait for the 2010 to stand and be counted to put an end to the Socialist/Marxist agenda being shoved down our throats.

The cost to the Nation's economy and each and every individual is such that we may never recover once Obama, Pelosi, Read and the rest of Anti-Americans who currently occupy positions of power get their way.

If you live in a State other than California where there is no hope from our Senators because they hate the Nation and everyone in it as much as the Anti-American triad of Obama, Pelosi, & Reid, then you contact your Senator and you tell them you will work to remove them from office if they back this crazy plan.

This "troika of hate" is spending this Nation into oblivion. They have spent us into debt that is going to take generations yet unborn to pay for.
 
This is not over stated and we cannot wait for the 2010 to stand and be counted to put an end to the Socialist/Marxist agenda being shoved down our throats.
We love the Socialist/Marxist agenda, boo, or rather the progressive programs that the right wing whack-o-loons like to label as the Socialist/Marxist agenda.
 
As usual, FOX (and other media) blow it, and people who don't understand what they're talking about eat it up.

The CBO says the bill will cost $849 billion - but also save even MORE. The net effect would be a SAVINGS (i.e. deficit reduction) of $127 billion.

See for yourself, the CBO's letter is at the bottom of this link:

Senate introduces health care bill; Obama and NM senators praise it New Mexico Independent

And here's how they achieve those savings:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-blogs/60478-major-reforms-delayed-until-2014-a.html
 
I'd like to read both bills out of the House and Senate before passing judgement (or atleast read what the final product to the entire Congress would be). Anybody have links to the proposed legistlation?
 
I'd like to read both bills out of the House and Senate before passing judgement (or atleast read what the final product to the entire Congress would be). Anybody have links to the proposed legistlation?

You could check Thomas, but at this point, only the House legislation is worth checking out. The Senate bill has been merged (Finance and HELP committee bills), but it hasn't gone through the amendment process on the floor yet.

I wonder tho, even after the Senate bill is done, which bill will end up closest to whatever comes out of conference committee?
 
I'd like to read both bills out of the House and Senate before passing judgement (or atleast read what the final product to the entire Congress would be). Anybody have links to the proposed legistlation?

Links to the entire Senate bill, the CBO analysis, and section summaries can be found here:

Democrats' Secret Health Care Bill Unveiled - Republican.Senate.Gov

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM130_reid_letter_11_18_09.html

Cheat sheets - Live Pulse - POLITICO.com

House bill:

http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf
 
Here we go the fight is on.


Senate Health Bill Totals $849 Billion, CBO Estimates - FOXNews.com


Senate Democrats on Wednesday gleefully unveiled their version of President Obama's sweeping health care overhaul plan that congressional budget analysts estimate would cost $849 billion over 10 years-- a figure in line with Obama's call for a price tag of no larger than $900 billion.

"We all acknowledge this legislation is a tremendous step forward," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said at a news conference, flanked by several other Democrats. "Why? Because it saves lives, saves money and protects Medicare, makes Medicare stronger."

"We've traveled really a long ways to where we are and tonight begins the last leg of this journey that we've been on now for some time," Reid added.

The Senate bill, which includes a government-run insurance plan that would allow states to opt out, would extend health care coverage to more than 94 percent of the population, or 31 million additional Americans. It also would cut the federal deficit by $127 billion over the first 10 years and as much as $650 billion over the next 10 years, according to the analysis by the nonpartisan CBO.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid released the bill and its price tag to his colleagues Wednesday afternoon. He has spent weeks merging two versions of the bill that passed out of two separate Senate committees.

Here we have the next creation of a niche voting block for politicians to pander/fear monger to.

You can sell anyone, anything these days.
 
Here we have the next creation of a niche voting block for politicians to pander/fear monger to.

You can sell anyone, anything these days.

And here we have fear mongering from the right, trying to scare everyone with the boogieman of socialism if we enact this sorrya** bill.
 
And here we have fear mongering from the right, trying to scare everyone with the boogieman of socialism if we enact this sorrya** bill.

There is lots of untruths on both sides of the political process, the things is though that you cant give people all the medical care they want and make things cheaper.

You can look at Medicare and see that.
 
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